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To not believe people who claim to think housing is an uncontroversial investment

136 replies

PowerfulFishRiver · 26/07/2025 18:53

Inspired by the wind up thread about the not-quite-millionare, but also a recent conversation with a family member who claimed to be shocked at my strong feelings when they said they wanted to buy a BTL.

I get that people sometimes have to do things that they're not comfortable with because life is tough and often having principles is expensive and sometimes we just can't be the people we want to be. I sometimes do cocaine, fly long-haul, and eat meat, even though I feel deep down like these are all morally wrong. But I would never try to pretend they're morally neutral, especially the drugs.

If someone said they knew treating a home as an investment was wrong, but they literally couldn't see any other way to make enough money to not be in poverty in retirement, or something, I feel like I would have a bit of sympathy.

But I just don't believe people when they claim to believe "it's just a business" or "just an investment". Surely everyone realises there is a finite amount of land on this planet (and especially on this island!), and if someone buys more land/property than they need, they're depriving someone else of it, and therefore making it harder for someone else to have a stable home, which is one of the basic things a human needs to have any sort of wellbeing in their life?

I just can't see how anyone can genuinely think buying up an existing asset and depriving someone else of it is anything like investing in stocks and shares or turning inputs into outputs like an actual productive business does.

OP posts:
PowerfulFishRiver · 26/07/2025 19:09

Isittimeformynapyet · 26/07/2025 19:01

I think the majority of MN won't be able to see past your gak use OP, so your thoughts on BTL will be lost. Anyway, we shall see....

My point in mentioning it was that people aren't perfect, and that I'm not saying I am.

We all do things we know are wrong, I just don't understand why people try to pretend they can't see the harm they're doing.

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AlastheDaffodils · 26/07/2025 19:09

PowerfulFishRiver · 26/07/2025 19:07

But they would prefer a permanent home, rather than one you could take away at any moment? And if you hadn't bought it, they might be able to afford it.

Surely you can see that lots of people don’t want a permanent home, at least at certain stages of their lives?

MrsSunshine2b · 26/07/2025 19:08

It seems that for a while, housing was an easy way to make an income without any work and the country was awash with slum landlords refusing to fix things and charging a fortune for barely habitable properties, but things are gradually changing for the better and it's becoming less attractive to buy to let.

There's a long way to go before the housing problem is solved.

One of the most ludicrous problems which we have is that all the council houses were sold off in the "right to buy" scheme, and now all the people that bought them and are mortgage free and renting these same council properties at such ridiculously high rents that the occupants have no chance of ever having a right to buy anything.

Policies I'd support would be the government buying up unused houses, a limit to the number of properties someone can own, rent caps, and residency requirements before buying. Half of London is owned by foreign oligarchs as an "investment", currently sitting empty whilst actual Londoners can't live in London anymore.

PowerfulFishRiver · 26/07/2025 19:07

Newsenmum · 26/07/2025 18:55

But if it’s buy to let you’re renting out to people to live in.

But they would prefer a permanent home, rather than one you could take away at any moment? And if you hadn't bought it, they might be able to afford it.

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AlastheDaffodils · 26/07/2025 19:07

I rented for about twelve years. Mostly the rentals were fine and suited me and my various flatmates well. I’m glad there were some landlords viewing their houses/flats as investments who were willing to rent to us, as it enabled us to live in central London without being tied down to a house or each other. Now I own a house I look back on those years with fondness.

YABU. Not everyone wants to be a homeowner aged 21.

theduchessoftintagel · 26/07/2025 19:02

I rent out my flat which is worth a grand total of 60k because it was about 20k in negative equity so I couldn't sell it. I can safely say it's cost me a lot more than it's made me but at least someone has a cheap rental I guess. And I keep it nice and repair/replace immediately (new fridge this month after the tenant accidentally broke the shelf of the old one.) I don't feel morally bankrupt.

Isittimeformynapyet · 26/07/2025 19:01

I think the majority of MN won't be able to see past your gak use OP, so your thoughts on BTL will be lost. Anyway, we shall see....

CopperWhite · 26/07/2025 19:01

There is a need for a rental market. Not every one can be or wants to be a homeowner.

You can pretend every landlord is a morally dubious human being if you want to. Some of us can see otherwise.

ExpressCheckout · 26/07/2025 18:57

To be honest, I'd be posting/reflecting on the chaos and harm and families wrecked that have arisen from your need for cocaine, rather than BTL property.

Octavia64 · 26/07/2025 18:57

What about if they buy an office and charge rent on that to a company?

strictly speaking it’s land and could be converted into houses?

Newsenmum · 26/07/2025 18:55

But if it’s buy to let you’re renting out to people to live in.