Malnourished starving children in Gaza

The Gaza envelope is a small area. Children evacuated from that area would have already been living under rocket fire for years before October 7th, whether directly impacted on October 7th or not. The chance of them knowing others in nearby kibbutzim who were affected is correspondingly high too.

I do believe it is an isolated incident, given the majority in Israel condemned the video and it was withdrawn.

I think it is possible to pull evidence and examples of radicalised and extreme language on both sides - but my point is why is this being generalised to dehumanise Israelis? Why are the voices for peace not being amplified?

From first hand experience (although I guess you could argue you can't extrapolate/ generalise from that either, just like you can't generalise from the extremist examples provided), I've personally certainly never seen or heard any of my children coming home from school here in Israel saying anything about being taught to hate or kill Palestinians and would be truly horrified if they did. I can only speak for my children's schools (they went to 4 separate institutions last year), but I don't believe they are out of the norm. They are state schools.

Please forgive me for not responding to your comments Lucky - I am just dipping in and out at the moment, and haven't time to properly look at the research paper you linked.

Couldn't agree more 😢

Yet again my post has been deleted. I think someone reports all of my posts and hopes for the best . The just of my post was that historians and scholars will study this genocide in future years . The essay question will be something like this “ Discuss the political climate in which a genocide carried out against the Palestinian people was allowed to go largely unchecked “.

Not an overly sweeping generalisation sadly, I wish it was 😢

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-03/ty-article/.premium/from-the-first-grade-to-the-grave-israelis-are-educated-to-dehumanize-palestinians/00000189-b817-d821-afdd-bb37927a0000

This is an article from Israeli left wing paper haaretz. "From the First Grade to the Grave, Israelis Are Taught to Dehumanize Palestinians"

This is why I am so, so worried about the mood in the UK right now. Historically, viewing our fellow human beings as other or different has led to nothing but horror.

Just, despair.

I found it chilling how she literally hopes her son will kill children. Not even a thought for the psychological damage that does to a person. What kind of mother raises a son expecting him to be able to kill children?

Edit- important to note that she is not representative of most Israeli mothers. Hopefully her constituents will cause her to lose her seat the next election.

Once you have dehumanized a group of people, you can justify to yourself any atrocities committed against them. It's been the same with every genocide.

How do these people live with themselves? Do they really believe that is what their God represents?

I provided the name of a book written by an Israeli scholar in a previous post which argues that it does. 'Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education' by Nurit Peled-Elhanan (Israeli scholar). I think mumsnet was being unreasonable deleting my post as while people are welcome to disagree with me if they wish, everything I said was evidence based. I also quoted from an article about a 2003 study by the Hebrew university of Jerusalem about dehumanizing language about Palestinians in Israeli school textbooks. There have been plenty of other studies done on the same topic. Here is a link to another one: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41859015?seq=5

You asked “What evidence have you got of Israel indoctrinating very young kids in schools to hate Palestinians?” to the other poster, I was seeking to answer only that question by reminding you of some concerning evidence that did emerge.

It was published on 21 November 2023, so yes fairly soon after October 7th
It was negatively received outside Israel.
The children are from communities in the Gaza envelope that were not attacked on the 7th but subsequently evacuated.

It is evidence that some Israeli children may be being brainwashed into hating Palestinians by singing (an excerpt from the song follows)

“In another year there will be nothing there

And we will return safely to our home within a year

We will annihilate them all

And then return to plowing our fields”

I agree the post was an overly sweeping generalisation, but this video is either an isolated incident or the tip of an iceberg. Without any inspection of the schools, we can never know.

The famine and hunger in Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan etc..is also man made. Just so you know.

Of course you’ll find 1-2 far-right lunatics in every country! You are clutching at straws here!

The song was sung by children from the border communities who were heavily hit on October 7th, and was released not longer after October 7th (about a month later). It was heavily criticised within Israel, and overall it was very negatively received, leading to it being (rightly) pulled by Kan not long after. I do not think it is evidence for the sweeping statement in the now deleted post, claiming that Israel brainwashes children in school into dehumanising Palestinians, nor evidence of the overall mindset of Israel citizens, which is what I was contesting.

On 17 May 25
In her speech at the Knesset, Israeli lawmaker Michal Waldiger, who defended the killing of Palestinian children in Gaza, stated

”There are no innocent people in Gaza. We saw what happened on October 7. They are Nazis. Everyone who wants to harm the State of Israel should be killed. I hope my son will kill everyone who comes in front of him and wants to harm the State of Israel, including children."

These are MKs saying these things in Knesset…it’s the same as if an MP said it in parliament. These are not fringe extremists, these are elected politicians in positions of power and influence.
https://en.haberler.com/scandalous-call-from-israeli-lawmaker-all-children-2091100/

One key difference is, this is so obviously man made and was preventable but was not addressed by the rest of the world. In other starvation or famine situations such as Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Haiti, Afghanistan etc, the UN and a multitude of aid agencies have been there and well funded by national governments to provide organised relief.

In Gaza, they are not allowed to do so and the same Israeli government that blocks them and all journalists is also denying the famine.

Secondly, I don't think it's true that "no one cares" about other situations. But it's not reasonable to expect everyone to be aware of everything and be equally vocal about all things.

Unfortunately now a point has been reached where, even if food was now provided, the effects of malnutrition and forthcoming disease spread is going to affect the people for years to come.

In May MKs had a discussion about whether starving, sick or injured children in Gaza deserve treatment or even painkillers…

”… those who set the tone in the discussion were Halevi and Son Har-Melech. Contrary to Dr. Shaul’s hope, many around the table indeed thought that the starvation and torment of Gazan children are not only legitimate but even desirable.”

”Israel’s Knesset held a first-of-its-kind discussion on the humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip. During a meeting last Thursday, Dr. Sharon Shaul from NATAN, an Israeli-based organization that provides humanitarian aid around the world, made a seemingly trivial remark: “I think that even everyone sitting around this table doesn’t want a suffering child to be unable to receive painkillers or minimal medical treatment.”

“Israeli lawmaker Amit Halevi(Likud) angrily interrupted her: “I’m not sure you’re speaking for us when you say we want to treat every child and every woman. I hope you don’t stand behind that statement either. When fighting a group like this, the distinctions that exist in a normal world don’t exist.”

“Shaul didn’t back down: “I hope that you, too, don’t want a 4-year-old whose arm has been amputated to go without painkillers. I hope you have that empathy, too.”
Lawmaker Limor Son Har-Melech (Religious Zionism) couldn’t hold back: “The only treatment needed here is for you,” she said, pointing at Shaul. Another participant remarked: “You are the sickest doctor I’ve ever seen.”

more at

https://israelpalestinenews.org/knesset-debate-reveals-not-everyone-thinks-starving-gazan-children-is-a-bad-thing/

Here's another one
'Do not spare a soul': Israeli rabbi says women, children should be killed in Gaza
"A rabbi in Israel has claimed Jewish law permits the mass killing of all women and children in Gaza who he says will grow up to become "terrorists."

This is from An article called "Israeli politicians shocking comments about killing babies"

"An Israeli politician has broadcast shocking comments about babies being killed during a live interview on local TV.

“Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas,” far-right Israeli politician Moshe Feiglin declared on Wednesday.

“We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory.”

Video of the comments has been shared widely on social media, including by Adil Haque, a Professor of Law at the esteemed Rutgers Law School in the US state of New Jersey.

In sharing the video, Prof Haque wrote: “Yair Golan’s quote isn’t the problem.”

I know what you mean, those Palestinians look like they’re having a great time - moving from one party to the next - shelter bombed? Fuck it I hear a man down the road has an open house with enough food for the whole village. I don’t know what you guys are on about - I’d love to be in Gaza. I don’t know what all the fuss is about!. Fat bellies all round!

There was this video of school children singing posted by Kan and fact checked by euronews as a true story.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/11/27/fact-check-did-israeli-children-really-sing-about-annihilating-everyone-in-gaza

Have you really never seen films of interviews with illegal settlers?

Also this is from a guardian article from a few years ago, not sure if we can post links here? the article is called The language being used to describe Palestinians is genocidal.

"Generations of Israeli schoolchildren have been imbued with the idea that Arabs are interlopers and merely tolerated through the beneficence of Israel.

A 2003 study of Israeli textbooks by the Hebrew University in Jerusalem showed Arabs are principally depicted “with a camel, in an Ali Baba dress.”

“They describe Arabs as vile and deviant and criminal, people who don’t pay taxes, people who live off the state, people who don’t want to develop. You never see a Palestinian child or doctor or teacher or engineer or modern farmer,” the study said.

In 2002 during the second intifada, the Tel Aviv newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth published a letter by Israeli children titled: “Dear soldiers, please kill a lot of Arabs.” The paper said dozens of such letters were sent by schoolchildren."

Jews are teaching their children that Palestinians want to kill them. Palestinians teach their children that they have to kill Jews. Can you even comprehend the difference??

This. Whole neighbourhood rased. Monsters. Thank goodness for people like Jeremy Bowen who won’t bow to pressure from Israel.

We do know all about it but you’ll get the deniers in every genicide. Did you ever think that would be you?