Malnourished starving children in Gaza

Ah the slogan that when Hamas use it means they are evil. And when is part of the ruling Likud's party's constitution, it's just fiiiine.

Surely it should be condemned for both or neither...

I personally think it's an unhelpful slogan for either side. Neither side are willing to compromise long term with their desire to be rid of eachother.

"Zios"?

Has famine ever officially been declared in Gaza? I think not. We have been told for over a year that they are on the brink of famine...how long can even healthy adults go without food?

Now everyone finds images of starving ill children upsetting...but every child I've seen on the news who is malnourished usually has an underlying medical condition. Terrible of course but show me a starving adult?

Tragically, neither Hamas or Israel give a shit about any Palestinian child dying of starvation. Hamas soldiers would happily sacrifice their own children if it meant Israel could be wiped off the map.

1. they are starved by Hamas and Egypt
2. 60k is fake number
3. these people are Iran's agents
4. All pictures released were AI, photoshopped or pictured with well fed adults
5. USAID lied before about famine in Gaza in the past only to admit there wasn't one at all

Alex de Waal, who has studied and written extensively about famine, has an excellent piece about this in the Guardian today.

De Waal on Gaza famine

Two wrongs don't make a right; they never have, and never will.

And even if they did, there is the question of proportionality to consider. How many Gazans need to die to avenge the deaths of the 1,200 or so killed by Hamas on 7 October? The death toll topped 60,000 a few days ago.

And no justification for the army opening fire on people waiting for food at a GHF distribution point, either. That is absolutely brutal.

There is plenty of aid at the Gaza borders, but aid agencies can't get in to distribute it. There's also a shortage of potable water. It feels futile to donate money if the food and water isn't getting in.

It's hard to see what can be done without a ceasefire, and I'm afraid I can't see a ceasefire happening any time soon.

An emotional appeal is always very efficient, especially pictures of hungry children, but is it going to change the Palestinians’ “From river to the see” stubborn mindset?
Because you know what that slogan means, right?

I suppose this doctor is AI or he's just making up stories too @RosaMundi27 ?

She has said what many, outside MN are saying. More guilt tripping and moral one-upmanship.

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@Alltheprettyseahorses - how dare you proclaim on here who is starving and who is not. Have you ever been starving? Has your baby ever starved? Your attitude literally beggars belief.

We don't get rational debate on these threads do we? We get insults, abuse and an attempted pile-on to intimidate anyone who dares disagree with the self-appointed Most Moral™️. It's why they always end up with only the same small group on them - not because everyone agrees, there are plenty of different opinions at the start, but because it's not worth the effort. They don't change minds with their histrionic abuse, they just get boring, and they don't add value to the site.

Is this how you go through life? The rudeness is off the scale.

Disagreeing with your personal opinions ≠ being a 'shit human'. We're all supposed to be grown-ups here.

Imagine being so willing to show everyone youre a shit human! Incredible

"You don't know my background and the level of my expertise in nutrition"

'Expertise?' Go back under your rock.

Holy shit there are a lot of frightening posts in this thread. I can’t decide if I’d rather they’re real people who actually think this or some kind of active PR op, both options are bad

Some of you I judge. I shake my head. I give you my deepest contempt. I also pity you, I think it must be awful to be you as deep down you must feel the wrongness of your arguments. It must be exhausting to keep it up.

Why does a random post by a random mumsnetter in the UK make anyone distrust Israel?

As an aside, I've been accused of being an Israeli agent on here which is hilarious and horrifying in equal measure. It's not like I post on this topic often, I'm literally a random who might post on a thread or two on active.

No one knows if the claim to knowledge of nutrition is true. You don't know my background and the level of my expertise in nutrition. And we all have eyes of course, we can all see the parents.

It is dreadful. I cannot imagine it, it breaks my heart, those poor innocent children.

Gary Lineker, nice of you to join us.

I feel utterly desperate. I saw a photo this morning of a child who should weigh 13kg but weighs 6. His mum was using a bin bag as a nappy. I can’t believe the posters who try to minimise this or make excuses or are determined to not apportion any responsibility to the Israeli government. If the IDF wanted to facilitate the safe distribution of food, they would.
I suppose we should welcome the RAF dropping food, but I expect those drop offs will result in utter chaos.