Malnourished starving children in Gaza

Are you a doctor? I am, and I can’t diagnose medical conditions from an image on the news.

I wonder if you would be posting so coldly if you saw images of starving Israeli babies. I expect some deep-seated humanity would make an appearance.

Haaretz: An Israeli newspaper with headlines like ‘The Mathematics of Starvation: Why Aid Can’t Fix the Lethal Shortage of Food in Gaza’ and ‘Israelis Are Even Calling Holocaust Survivors Antisemitic’ (Opinion piece). I’m sure they also represent other viewpoints. I respect the leadership of Haaretz for not having tunnel vision, and for showing humanity.

I am not anti-Israel. Frankly, I was taught at school and at church that God promised Israel a land of its own but as an adult reluctantly came to the conclusion that the formation of the Israeli state was dubious morally and legally. However, it exists and we aren’t going back to a time when it didn’t. It’s not happening. However, until the Palestinian grievance is acknowledged and dealt with, I don’t see how Israel can have lasting peace.

Why are the bibas babys lives worth the lives 50-100 gazan babies each?

Every death is a tragedy particularly children's deaths. Why are the bibas babies worth a trigger of a genocide while hundreds of thousands of gazan babies should just be taken a collateral damage?

I agree OP. It’s absolutely sickening. Shame on anybody that justifies starving children to death.

Let’s hope.

Thank you - I’ll watch this in a min. Quick question - what do you mean when you say he ‘knows what he’s talking about’?

Hopefully the clip will help me understand the argument but I feel like anti-Israel (in terms of its government and army) rhetoric or sentiment is fuelled by what Israel is doing and is therefore justifiable (as long as it is based on their actions and not any other factors e.g antisemitism).

…ah there it is , the sneering dismissive tone spoken by the genocide denier.

Atrocities elsewhere are condemned by our government and by the international community, so no-one has to rile-up against unreasonable arguments.
No where else gets away with what Israel does and still has such a strong core of support saying "it's ok, it's their right to do this". Most countries and their press condemned Russia and the Taliban and Assad etc. No one on Mumsnet comes on and says that the Western media are making it up, it's not so bad, they actually deserve it for the Ukrainian people or the civilians in Afghanistan or Syria. It's only Israel that can never be criticised under any circumstances and every single one of them is a walking angel with pristine morals and no flaws unlike everyone in Gaza who is basically a liar. Even the neonates are crisis actors etc

Haaretz too?

Many members of this forum, are able to keep their emotions in check and debate without getting personal. They are also able to separate fact from fiction, and not take everything at face value

Sensible as ever, @Dangermoo

Unfortunately I've never felt this is an especially good place to discuss the matter because the competition as to who's most upset/distraught/tearful rapidly takes over from consideration of some very complex issues

Strange, too, that atrocities elsewhere never attract the same attention, but there you go

Some of us want Gaza to be free of Israel. France is already proposing to accept Palestine as a legitimate and independent state. I think at least 200 British MPs have written a letter asking for the same. Keir has ignored it for now and Trump is here. But it's just a matter of time.

I tend not to give too much credence to the comments of people who get their information from GB News and pop-up on every anti-immigrant thread.

I believe that the whole Israeli tactic is that no one is Gaza lives to adulthood.

But the rest of the world us watching. No one is going to forget this.

Here’s an interview for you with a British army officer who knowns what he’s talking about and explains why some in the west don’t fully support Israel, therefore fuelling the anti-Israel rhetoric in the media and among the public.

And the humanitarian workers and Palestinians who have smart phones and are documenting what's going on, they're all Hamas? People who have come back after working there and tell their experiences, they're all Hamas operatives? The journalists risking starvation to report on what's going on, they're in cahoots with Hamas? I thought Hamas were in the tunnels feasting on aid.

Well the Al Jazeera Law will be permanent soon, so that stops any pesky foreign media from broadcasting.

Haven't read the full thread so this may have been mentioned already.
These starving children are going to become teenagers and adults at some point.

How will they view Israel and what happened to them during this period?

I think that Israel is helping create a new generation that will want to attack Israel - memories of this will be very long.

And it just takes 1 person with a very long memory to do something awful in the future.

It's Israel that has blocked journalists from entering Gaza.

A petition appeal by the Foreign Press Association filed with the Israeli Supreme Court on 19 December 2024 was rejected over “security concerns.”

No foreign media is allowed to go in by the Israel government, either. Both culpable.

Hear, hear.

Precisely why I abhor the leaders of organised religions.

As no one is allowed to go inside Gaza, the Israeli government can control their own media and the narrative (especially as the more powerful side in the war), so there’s a high possibility that they manufacture a lot of fake news, right?

Since no media is allowed to go inside Gaza, Hamas pretty much control their own media and narrative. So there is a high possibility that they manufacture a lot of fake news. Then it’s broadcast by Al Jazeera, and then pretty much all the Western media copies it.

So many people want us to be pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. I think both sides are pretty vile in this. Hamas terrorist action is evil and the Israeli response is evil.

Thank you - that’s helpful. If anyone is pro-Israel and can add to my collection of independent sources that support your argument, please share them. @GoldenRosebee and @RosaMundi27 you’ve shared various statements/arguments on here re ‘the truth’ about what’s happening in Gaza. I would really appreciate your trustworthy sources as I am yet to find this information from any trustworthy independent source and I’d be interested to see where you are getting this info from as you as asserting it as fact.