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To be fed the em dash being conflated with AI?

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MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:29

I’ve always used it, although usually just in dash format for the sake of ease. It comes as easily as full stops and commas.

Why is everyone just now discovering it? I’ve just completed a job application and went and edited my dashes out in case they followed this trend of thinking it indicates AI.

It’s actually genuinely really annoying me that people who have lived under rocks or who’ve never written anything since school are accusing people who’ve got a reasonable grasp of English of being AI.

Although it makes startlingly normal the, what I thought at the time was very strange, episode where I’d written something for a colleague and he asked ‘what are all those dashes for?’

We went to the same school and he’s only five years younger.

It’s beyond annoying. Lots of us know how to and regularly do use an em dash. It’s more astounding that so many people think it’s unusual.

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Melancholyflower · 26/07/2025 00:24

We teach children how to use hyphens and dashes in primary school, but no em dashes in the UK.

Fintoo · 26/07/2025 00:21

I totally agree. I like an em dash, a hangover from an earlier career in publishing where I learnt to punctuate properly having gone through school failing to do so. (Could have used one nicely in that sentence.) Similarly semi colons. I now feel like I can’t use them because of bloody AI.

I wish people would consider the bollocks AI comes up with instead of its punctuation. I Googled Andy Bell the other day, to discover AI thinks Oasis Andy Bell and Erasure Andy Bell are the same person.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/07/2025 00:17

TeenLifeMum · 26/07/2025 00:06

I love a semi colon!

I very much like semi colons; I’m also a fan of dashes - en, I believe - and also of the ellipsis…

TeenLifeMum · 26/07/2025 00:06

yakkity · 25/07/2025 23:43

It’s just that like the semi colon they haven’t been in favour for a long time.

I love a semi colon!

TeenLifeMum · 26/07/2025 00:05

It’s a sign of AI use (copilot uses them) when they have no spaces and they seem longer than the standard M dash.

i use hyphens in my normal writing but the AI “clue” was told to me the other day when I had an email that really got my back up. It was smug and superior. I was so cross someone would write like that to me (they also cc’d in a senior director trying to point out to them I was wrong - I wasn’t, I just wasn’t doing what they wanted because I have my own brain and priorities. Senior director is fully aware of my work and will not have received it how the sender was hoping - they will come across as a twat).

Anyway, other colleague who I was ranting to pointed out the obvious use of AI with m-dash and no spaces (makes sense, he’s our AI expert). So yes, it seems AI has become a smug/condescending colleague I have to tolerate.

GarlicMetre · 25/07/2025 23:59

Also: as a SPAG pedant of some description, OP, you might want to consider your incorrect use of 'conflated'. Sorry!

GarlicMetre · 25/07/2025 23:56

Why on earth are people using them? You only need a long dash if you're typesetting and don't want your dash to break up a line.

Bonkers. It's not even on a standard keyboard. If PPs are fart-arsing around with key codes just to get a long dash, they must all be ... well, I dunno: pretentious?

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:47

yakkity · 25/07/2025 23:43

It’s just that like the semi colon they haven’t been in favour for a long time.

I’m only 36. It’s not like AI is speaking by saying thee and thy. The dashes are in everyday use.

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LittleBearPad · 25/07/2025 23:47

yakkity · 25/07/2025 23:35

Em dash is longer than a hyphen (Short dash) and an en dash (longer than hyphen but shorter than em dash)

Regardless it’s not two dashes together.

RCJJ · 25/07/2025 23:46

MagicalAnimal · 25/07/2025 23:35

I have noticed that the em dash in AI tends to have no space either side, so slightly different from when it autocorrects from a hyphen, as that is only when you have the space each side.

sorry missed this, but yes - basically, this!

RCJJ · 25/07/2025 23:46

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:36

Just checked and mine - when I do this - autocorrects automatically to this.

Just checked and mine — when I do this — autocorrects automatically to this, unless I delete and re type. Same on word.

Absolute dead give away with ChatGPT is no spaces around the em dash. If I saw a space I wouldn’t think anything of it. But when it’s all joined up, that’s the giveaway.

yakkity · 25/07/2025 23:43

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:40

Exactly! I honestly don’t understand how people are so unfamiliar with them they automatically think AI. Even if they don’t use them, surely they’re aware of them and have seen them in other writing.

It’s just that like the semi colon they haven’t been in favour for a long time.

summertimeinLondon · 25/07/2025 23:43

AlwaysFreezing · 25/07/2025 23:31

Isn't this 2 dashes together? Which is what makes it weird! People don't do that?

My job involves a lot of formal writing and I use both em and en dashes. (Always have, because a hyphen is not a dash.)

My keyboards are set to correct to them, as well as on my iPhone —e.g. I automatically type two hyphens to autocorrect to an em dash when I need one, and I only use the hyphen when it’s grammatically correct.

BasicBrumble · 25/07/2025 23:42

UK style is en-dash with spaces
us style is em-dash with no space
usually if you type a hyphen it will turn into an en dash if you put spaces around it (eg in word). If you do two hyphens it will turn into an em-dash.

i have always loved en-dashes and am now being asked to avoid them due to ai, beyond frustrating

Ddakji · 25/07/2025 23:41

brigidsexcitableaunt · 25/07/2025 23:40

That is an en-dash and a hyphen. The em-dash is called an em-dash because it is the same width as the letter m.

Cap M. Or cap N for an en (N) dash.

brigidsexcitableaunt · 25/07/2025 23:40

yourefunningme · 25/07/2025 23:35

I use them all the time and totally agree. Although I think we use the en dash here more than the em dash which is more common in America - I certainly do anyway!

em daah: —
en dash -

That is an en-dash and a hyphen. The em-dash is called an em-dash because it is the same width as the letter m.

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:40

parietal · 25/07/2025 23:38

Same here OP. I use dashes in my writing and Word autocorrects them to a dash that is a bit longer. And now I worry that looks like AI.

Exactly! I honestly don’t understand how people are so unfamiliar with them they automatically think AI. Even if they don’t use them, surely they’re aware of them and have seen them in other writing.

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AlwaysFreezing · 25/07/2025 23:39

yourefunningme · 25/07/2025 23:38

Because another poster asked!

Guilty. Sorry op.

Ddakji · 25/07/2025 23:39

It isn’t AI. If you look at a book you will see (if it’s in British English) that all dashes are en dashes. The short ones are a hyphen.

Ddakji · 25/07/2025 23:38

That’s an en dash, not an em dash. Em dashes are American.

yourefunningme · 25/07/2025 23:38

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:37

Why is everyone explaining what it is? I know what it is 😂.

Because another poster asked!

parietal · 25/07/2025 23:38

Same here OP. I use dashes in my writing and Word autocorrects them to a dash that is a bit longer. And now I worry that looks like AI.

AlwaysFreezing · 25/07/2025 23:38

Whaaaat? Im sure - quite sure - that mine doesn't do that.

MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:37

Why is everyone explaining what it is? I know what it is 😂.

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MyWarmOchreHare · 25/07/2025 23:36

Just checked and mine - when I do this - autocorrects automatically to this.

Just checked and mine — when I do this — autocorrects automatically to this, unless I delete and re type. Same on word.

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