Anyone work in HR or legal please?

@Mermaid64 what happened Friday?

Good luck, @Mermaid64

Sounds like you may have a strong case for tribunal if they do dismiss you. I would definitely go to ACAS as in my experience within HR they are very helpful and will also liaise with your employer for you. There are strict timelines on when you can put a claim in though but they will be able to advise you on this.

Why don’t you just leave and get a job where you can be happy. No point creating more drama in your life when you sound stressed already. If you stay it’s clearly not going to get better. Look at the bigger picture abd move on.

This is going to be a long haul by the sounds of it. Brace yourself.

https://www.acas.org.uk/disciplinary-procedure-step-by-step

https://www.acas.org.uk/acas-code-of-practice-on-disciplinary-and-grievance-procedures read the document on this page.

https://www.acas.org.uk/settlement-agreements

You need a clear, unemotional head.
Take a witness to your meetings
Take clear notes, ask permission to record if possible, if they refuse its inadmissible in a tribunal (although notes to the best of your recollection are allowed).
It should be arranged for your working hours, and not when you are signed off sick- they shouldn't be contacting you at all while off sick. Document every occasion, keep a time line, for your tribunal.

During your meetings, ensure that if you feel overwhelmed at any point, then you can ask for an adjournment.

All formal interactions should now be in writing.

So you told them how much money you would want and they said no and didn’t counter? Were you asking for a lot @Mermaid64 ?

Good grief why on earth are you still there

Edited to say I do work in HR but not sure how that can help you. Sounds like they will do what they want and don't give a shit about anyone. Go to ACAS

Sounds like a win!
youve got 10 days to consider and make sure you negotaite. Ask them to pay your legal fees or use acas. Keep us updated on how it pans out! Good luck

Just to reiterate it is mandatory for them to offer this payment to consult a solicitor unless they use the ACAS service.

Which days in the autumn are they supposedly closing down? To close down for 2 weeks they have to give you at least 4 weeks notice. I guess they are probably within that though.

Have you not been getting your statutory rest breaks?

Please contact ACAS and get some proper advice.

Absolutely

You should never accept the first off either

If they are offering a settlement agreement then for it to be binding you must take
legal advice as you are signing away statutory rights. They don’t have to pay for this, but employers usually do. Normal
payment is in the region of £500 for your solicitor to read the agreement, explain it to you and to sign it. IF you want in depth advice then it will be extra and you’ll typically have to
pay for that.

listen to their proposal and get them
to set it out in writing so you can forward it to
your advisor

If they are offering a settlement, then they must pay for you to seek advice from an independent solicitor. Some bank accounts have a legal help line and can give you an idea of costs.

Do not accept anything until your solicitor costs are agreed and you have had advice.

You need to phone the ACAS helpline now and do what they advise you. DONT answer the email and don’t take or make any phone calls to your employer.

One thing I would say, proving constructive dismissal can be more difficult than proving unfair dismissal (where the employer has done something obviously egregious). You must take legal advice before acting if that's the route you're looking to go down.

They seem to be completely disregarding mental health, ive also sent them proof of mental health medication (a note of repeat prescriptions from the gp) and its still been disregarded.

When you say that they're disregarding mental health, disregarding it in relation to what? Are they saying it isn't a valid excuse to ask the 'wrong' person for permission to leave? This is irrelevant as they are incorrect in saying that you had to ask the owner, per their own policy, which states manager.

Or are they questioning the legitimacy of your condition? Regardless, if you have a repeat prescription you are presumably under Drs care for your condition which will be documented in your medical notes.

Read around some other stuff too, Ctrl+F for manager in the employee handbook might help.

Also, if you’re suspended on full pay, self certifying sick not required. Use the time to job hunt and keep taking their money. Also, go and see GP if getting health related symptoms.

Just go careful about self certification until you’ve checked your handbook/policy as a lot of companies won’t pay company sick pay if you are suspended/under investigation.
Going home sick and reporting to the “wrong” person isn’t gross misconduct.
If they dismiss, put in an appeal and then go straight to ACAS for advice on unfair dismissal.

Continue the meetings and keep taking their money while you look for another role.

Self certifying sick with work related stress would also be an accurate reflection of your current situation and health impact.

If the policy says manager, and Team Leads take the manager role (and a team lead authorised it) then you have strong grounds to say you believed you were following the policy. I assume that other policies like annual leave probably also use the same term so you can point towards that.