Is my best friend racist?

Appreciate the clarification - but if you genuinely have a point to make, you should make it. I’m not here for personal flattery or shielding from uncomfortable conversations - I’m here for honesty. Just don’t confuse disagreement with taking things personally. If your argument stands on its own, it shouldn’t need to be tiptoed around.

How would you judge the outcome 50 years later?

The problem with the melting pot theory is that it's always assumed that new immigrants to western societies will end up adopting the 'superior' liberal culture that they move to.

That's not what we were taught in 1970s... we were taught that both the indigenous and the newcomer cultures change because of each other, neither is superior, but together they find mutually beneficial ways to blend best of both. Both sides have to open-minded about new ways of doing things and range of acceptable ways of how people live, how society operates.

I refer you to my point about shutting down debate by accusing everyone of isms, phobias and ists.

You don’t even have the courage to own up to your prejudices.

You confirmed it again in your post to me so I don’t know why you’re denying it. We see through you.

No was an error, which is why I edited it. I was going to bring up some examples of where communities might not agree with enrichment part of your argument, but I had second thoughts as I think you’d take it personally and didn’t want to insult you.

The Uk does have it's own stories that bring in people from other places and ethnicity. There is the long history in India, or the relationship to the Caribbean countries, parts of Africa. And those links do mean that there are often shared basis in culture and especially legal and political institutions. At this point in time, the British and India have had significant cultural exchange in both countries going back hundreds of years.

New World countries do have a differernt kind of emphasis, for sure, but they are also having their own struggles with multi-culturalism.

They always start the same way, that it’s only illegal migrants they object to and immigrants who won’t integrate.

But they can’t maintain the façade and it soon transpires they don’t see Muslims as part of society at all.

I still don’t see what we have as the pp does. Typically these threads have pp who say his bad it is here, but no answer on where they think does better.

I think we have many things going for us and shouldn’t undervalue it.

Thanks for showing your real colours to everyone. Would be interesting to see how many people call you out on your racist posts.

Exactly - denying the everyday contributions of millions of British Muslims isn’t just wrong, it’s depressingly transparent. If your response to facts is a flat ‘no,’ then maybe you’re not here for discussion - just denial. And honestly, watching that get applause is the clearest argument for multiculturalism I could’ve asked for

Depressing, really.

Yes, this. Thank you!!

Wow - ‘no.’ Such nuance. Such depth. Debate clearly won!

Her initial response was ‘No.’. As in no to you saying that British Muslims are contributing every day: building businesses, serving in the NHS, teaching in schools, leading in politics, and enriching arts, culture, and community life.

Depressing, really.

ItKs not easy to leave friends and family, those are the ties that bind.

If the argument went over your head, feel free to scroll up and reread it - I’m not here to simplify reality into soundbites just to fit someone else’s narrative.

Totally agree with your friend

aka if you don't like it go live somewhere else?

If you don't like what I have to say why don't you go and live somewhere else.

The blame from the left always seems to be the white folks when it comes down to lack of integration and dishing out racism. There is a lot of hate towards white people noticed very much if you live in an area where white people are a minority and I live and work in large areas where you rarely see/hear a white person. I've always been welcoming and decent towards anyone but I see experience and observe very much closed off outsider thing which never used to.matter when the community's were small but not helpful or a positive thing long term if you want to achieve a happy UK where people respect/understand each other more. I think if people mixed a little more all around there would be less suspicion and happier mixed communities.

British Muslims are contributing every day: building businesses, serving in the NHS, teaching in schools, leading in politics, and enriching arts, culture, and community life. That is integration - it’s just not the version you want, where people erase who they are to blend in.

Where that happens, that’s great, and I don’t doubt that’s happening to some
degree. That is precisely the integration I think people on this thread want, but that’s not the issue here…

I also agree with your friend. She is not being racist

Wow, the masks are really slipping off big time.

So British Muslims don’t contribute? They aren’t building businesses, serving in the NHS, teaching in schools, leading in politics, and enriching arts, culture, and community life, as Merry says?

Yes, sexual grooming does unfortunately feature as part of some cultures… And that includes sub-cultures, especially religious ones, that predominantly white people are part of…. This isn’t a “race” thing! Why are @nomas and others so insistent that it is!

I have no issue with people criticising certain elements of British culture if they are doing so with good faith… I may disagree, and in some instances I may agree, but I definitely don’t get offended and think others are being racist for doing so!

So it’s as bad as you say but you want to stay, or maybe it’s hard to say where is better. What do you like about living where you do, anything?

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