Is my best friend racist?

So stating that we have a democracy, women’s rights and were not the Vikings is “far right” now… Bizarre!

Which countries’ values would you prefer?

Absolutely right. Though did you see that gay marriage has now been allowed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia? Amazing, they are starting to enter an enlightened zone.

*not really

The only thing the only thing that has been underscored is how far you sit to the right.

As for our political leadership during Covid, well, we were able to eject the Tory Government due to our open democracy, something most people don’t have.

As for our raping, murdering and pillaging across the globe, the British Empire was far from perfect, but you seem to have it confused with the Vikings or the Mongol Horde.

As for the rights of women, we are light years ahead of the likes of Iran and Afghanistan. To claim woman don’t have rights or value in British society compared to most non-western societies, or pretty much all societies throughout history, is a staggeringly stupid statement.

You’ve only underscored and validated my original post - thank you.

These British values which were whole heartedly embraced by our British leadership during Covid and by the British throughout history as they raped,murdered and pillaged their around the globe. These British values that are doing so much for working class white boy and the rights of women.

Trust me, I know my friends.
I’m sorry that happened to you.

Why would they tell you? I have told like three people about my rape.

It is racist, yes. We have far more in common than not. Sweeping statements about ‘culture’ is fear based divisive nonsense

Ok, but you said all women know someone who has been raped and that it’s a fact - how can you state that as a fact? Am I to assume that at least one woman I know has been raped? Because honestly, I think they would tell me

They likely won't tell you. I know someone who was raped and had no idea until she told me.

I don’t know anyone who has been raped.

All women in this country will know someone who has been raped. That's a fact.

That’s a straw-man, at least as far as I’m concerned, I’ve never said everyone who identifies as a Muslim needs to assimilate, as many, perhaps even most, already have. And this applies to anyone who doesn’t subscribe to basic British principles (ie such as the five I outlined earlier), irrespective of whether they are Muslim, Christian or whatever.

The statistics about Afghans were posted upthread. There were 19 sexual offences by Afghans in 2024. I’d hardly call that an epidemic. 🙄

Earlier in the thread I posted the stats showing that in Germany, Afghani men are ten times more likely to be charged with rape than German men.

Maybe you’re just bonkerphobic.

Was going to add a footnote clarifying that obviously I wasn't trying to minimise rape. But the post was already long enough, and I figured it was pretty obvious as the post was discussing statistics. Apparently not.

Rape is rare in the sense most women in this country never experience it, and if they are unlucky enough to do so, it will usually be once at most in their entire lifetime. Most of us crash our cars significantly more regularly, and unless you're a horrible driver you probably don't think you commonly smash up your car. We mostly have more children than attacks, yet we probably don't say we are commonly giving birth. We consider them rare, unusual events. Of course, for some women, horrifically, this is not the case, and it should go without saying (but apparently not) that one rape is far too many rapes.

But (luckily), rape isn't all that common

Clearly you have no idea.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence

Oh dear. Though I suppose it's better that you just don't understand relative vs. absolute frequency, rather than that you're trying to say it's fine that muslims rape at a higher rate!

Let's have a little basic maths, shall we.

I'd rather not use rapists though.

So...

Imagine a pack of dogs, some black and some white. If 10 black dogs bite people and 2 white dogs bite people, presumably you would think more black dogs had bitten people than white dogs. And you would, of course, be correct. But this does not mean that black dogs are necessarily more likely to bite people.

Imagine there were 100 black dogs in the pack, and only 10 white dogs.

10 out of the 100 black dogs have bitten people, which means 1 in every 10 black dogs has bitten someone, which means 10% of black dogs have bitten someone.

2 out of the 10 white dogs have bitten people, which means 2 in every 10 white dogs has bitten someone, which means 20% of white dogs have bitten someone.

And 20% is more than 10% (double, in fact), so white dogs are actually twice as likely to bite as black dogs. Even though black dogs do more actual biting in total, as there are ten times more of them.

So white men do more raping, as there are significantly more white men in the UK than non-white men. But proportionally, (some) non-white men are more likely to rape. Statistics have shown Afghans are around twenty as likely to rape as white men. But (luckily), rape isn't all that common and there also aren't very many Afghans in Britain. So a very few men doing something twenty times more often than something that's not done all that often, is not going to be a big number.

Hope this helps.

ETA Sorry, forgot to add quote - this is (obviously) to @nomas

The statistics about Afghans were posted upthread. There were 19 sexual offences by Afghans in 2024. I’d hardly call that an epidemic. 🙄

There are a disproportionate number of Muslims in prisons but not for sexual offences.

This is due to a number of factors, with Muslims coming from lower socioeconomic backgrounds and more likely to be sent to prison, also that prisoners are more likely to convert to Islam and also that Muslims tend to be younger and most prisoners are younger.

Your friend is correct and yes you are being naive.

The statistics show that men from islamic cultural backgrounds are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault. Some nationalities like Afghans are around 20 times more likely to be convicted of rape than a white man. Obviously, nobody is saying all muslims are rapists. But the fact people of this cultural background are more likely to attack women is absolutely something that needs to be discussed. Surely, you agree with this? Or are you suggesting we should turn a blind eye because it's their culture - and anyway, even though they're more likely to rape than white men, they're still raping fewer women overall as they're the minority?

Just to be clear, when she says ‘white’ she is not being racist. She actually means non Muslim. It’s a cultural thing and another example of the shocking failure of multiculturalism,