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Is my best friend racist?

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Newnamefortouchysubject · 25/07/2025 16:46

Visited my best friend today for lunch and had a conversation that has left me confused, so thought I'd bring it to the MN table.
We were talking about immigration, refugees and asylum seekers.
My friend says the issue is not the colour of people's skin, but rather their culture.
She has no problem with people who wish to settle here when they embrace the UK culture.
Her attitude is that multicultural societies are almost impossible to implement to everyones satisfaction because different cultures have such widely opposing beliefs and values and she believes it is unrealistic to expect to integrate many different cultures and values without considerable conflict between the different cultures.
Furthermore, she believes it is so difficult to integrate different cultures that people of the same ethnicity will inevitably gravitate towards each other and form their own social groups to the exclusion of other ethnic groups, so the whole idea of integration is pointless anyway.
We just end up with lots of different groups of people isolating themselves from other groups who don't share their ethnicity.
She is firmly of the belief that tensions that people describe as racially motivated actually stem from cultural differences, that she knows no one who has any issue with people of different races when they adopt the culture of the country they choose to migrate to, and that the tension is created by ethnic differences and their cultural differences.

I still say this is racism because racism also includes discriminating against people based on their ethnicity. She called me naive if I believe a truly multicultural society is possible when 'you wouldn't even tolerate a friend who has the same ethnicity as you but doesn't share your values so how do you expect to embrace someone's complete different way of life'.
I explained that the way other people choose to live their lives doesn't affect me. She called me naive again at this point and said when people don't have the same values, when they live according to different social rules, it affects people living in their vicinity who don't live like that.

Im not sure whether to raise the subject with her again, or let it lie because she seemed quite adamant and I'm not sure I could make her see this is still racist.

Now I'm wondering if I don't understand what racism is. Maybe I am naive.

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Skyrise · 25/07/2025 16:56

Your friend is entirely sensible in her views.

notanothersummercold · 25/07/2025 16:56

I agree with your friend too

Pinkelephant66 · 25/07/2025 16:55

no it’s not racism. I very much agree with these statements. Although the way in which it is written, I would say it’s your opinion rather than a ‘friend’

Pollqueen · 25/07/2025 16:55

Your friend is a realist rather than a racist and a large part of what she says is correct. Yes, you are naive

Pinty · 25/07/2025 16:55

It depends what she means.
Of course everyone has to obey the law of the country they live in but they don't have to wear the same clothes, eat the same food, or celebrate the same festivals.
Many countries including the UK have embraced other cultures, food and language and developed .
And I think we are a lot richer for it.

RedSeven · 25/07/2025 16:55

There is nothing racist about questioning a culture that does not fit well or respect western civilisation. The word 'Islamophobia' is thrown around too much. Yes there are racists of course but the term 'phobia' means irrational fear. There's nothing irrational about seeing certain religious groups values and beliefs and being afraid of them or recognising there is a problem. Specifically with religious groups that enable rape, and the abuse and poor treatment of women.

your friend is right.

Moveoverdarlin · 25/07/2025 16:55

I agree with her and think you’re naive.

There is a thread on here currently from a worried Mum who has an ex husband from the Middle East who lets their six year old daughter sleep in the same bed as her uncle (the Father’s brother). The Father insists it’s the norm in his culture and yet every poster on here told the Mum to inform social services. That’s case in point isn’t it?

mugglewump · 25/07/2025 16:54

Racist: likely, xenophobic: certainly and probably islamophobic too. What are these vastly different beliefs and values that she refers to? I would say these people of 'other cultures' all value and seek to offer human kindness, respect to others and a desire to do good. I would like to think these are part of British culture too except when I read anti-immigration stuff I really have to question what people in this country really think.

Steelworks · 25/07/2025 16:53

I get why you think this is racism, but I also get her arguments as well.

woodlandnoise · 25/07/2025 16:52

I agree with her - flip it around, if YOU travelled to a country with very modest dress laws, would YOU walk around in a bikini thinking fuck them, I do what I want!

I highly doubt you would. I suspect you'd be of the view that when you go to a country, you respect their culture, so why doesnt this apply both ways??

Boomer55 · 25/07/2025 16:49

I agree with her.

ThejoyofNC · 25/07/2025 16:49

Would you accept people into your life who believe that women are second class citizens who should be seen and not heard? How about people who think rape is fine if the victim isn't from your culture? Maybe people who think that men should be allowed multiple wives?

Your friend is right.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 25/07/2025 16:49

How refreshing, a thread on immigrants.

BeRedRobin · 25/07/2025 16:48

I agree with her and I'm an immigrant. I am from a moderate Muslim country, i believe some countries have radical culture which doesn't fit 21st century Britain and it is very naive to think otherwise.

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