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Is my best friend racist?

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Newnamefortouchysubject · 25/07/2025 16:46

Visited my best friend today for lunch and had a conversation that has left me confused, so thought I'd bring it to the MN table.
We were talking about immigration, refugees and asylum seekers.
My friend says the issue is not the colour of people's skin, but rather their culture.
She has no problem with people who wish to settle here when they embrace the UK culture.
Her attitude is that multicultural societies are almost impossible to implement to everyones satisfaction because different cultures have such widely opposing beliefs and values and she believes it is unrealistic to expect to integrate many different cultures and values without considerable conflict between the different cultures.
Furthermore, she believes it is so difficult to integrate different cultures that people of the same ethnicity will inevitably gravitate towards each other and form their own social groups to the exclusion of other ethnic groups, so the whole idea of integration is pointless anyway.
We just end up with lots of different groups of people isolating themselves from other groups who don't share their ethnicity.
She is firmly of the belief that tensions that people describe as racially motivated actually stem from cultural differences, that she knows no one who has any issue with people of different races when they adopt the culture of the country they choose to migrate to, and that the tension is created by ethnic differences and their cultural differences.

I still say this is racism because racism also includes discriminating against people based on their ethnicity. She called me naive if I believe a truly multicultural society is possible when 'you wouldn't even tolerate a friend who has the same ethnicity as you but doesn't share your values so how do you expect to embrace someone's complete different way of life'.
I explained that the way other people choose to live their lives doesn't affect me. She called me naive again at this point and said when people don't have the same values, when they live according to different social rules, it affects people living in their vicinity who don't live like that.

Im not sure whether to raise the subject with her again, or let it lie because she seemed quite adamant and I'm not sure I could make her see this is still racist.

Now I'm wondering if I don't understand what racism is. Maybe I am naive.

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ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:27

VerinMathwin · 25/07/2025 18:24

Does Italy have a culture? What do you think Italian culture is?

I’ve no idea … that not what I asked was it.

I asked for examples of “British Culture” it really shouldn’t be so hard.

2024onwardsandup · 25/07/2025 18:26

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:09

….so if we do, what is it ? Is it just Bingo ?

Demoncracy rule of law a notion of justice and equity rights for women and girls - jsut to name a few….

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:26

2024onwardsandup · 25/07/2025 18:17

I can own property, have a job, vote.

it shows your ignorance that you don’t understand how astounding that is for women

… So that means that the UK is a Utopia for women and women’s rights ?

Ignorance is assuming that all of those things are possible, and accessible to women in this country.

VerinMathwin · 25/07/2025 18:24

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:22

…you are about the third person who has said this.. I’m just asking what that means. What is British Culture ?

Does Italy have a culture? What do you think Italian culture is?

ThisDenimWriter · 25/07/2025 18:23

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ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:22

MaggieBsBoat · 25/07/2025 18:16

And @ExtraOnions of course there is British culture. Have you lived outside the UK? If not, then maybe you don’t realise.

…you are about the third person who has said this.. I’m just asking what that means. What is British Culture ?

KarmaKameelion · 25/07/2025 18:17

Newnamefortouchysubject · 25/07/2025 17:27

I see people from all walks of life going about their daily business. I don't see groups of people huddled together excluding others, I don't see people avoiding other people based on their perceived ethnicity.
I have never given other people's ethnicity a thought until lunch today.
Everyone is a little different, no matter who they are or what their culture is. It's what makes the tapestry of life so rich!

have you been to tooting late at night? Have you lived in tooting for a number of years?

visiting a place is not the same as living it. If you are not living it you should accept that other people may have different opinions.

I agree with your friend. I am also an immigrant.

2024onwardsandup · 25/07/2025 18:17

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:57

Are women well treated within our British Culture?

What I see are record numbers of violent and sexual crimes against women and girls, the almost decriminalised of Rape, an employment system that keeps women in poverty, children left in poverty because their fathers don’t pay for them, Domestic violence not treated properly, poor sentencing for crimes against women and girls, rampant misogyny both in person and online, victim blaming for women who don’t cover themselves properly.

What a Utopia for Women this country is …

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I can own property, have a job, vote.

it shows your ignorance that you don’t understand how astounding that is for women

MaggieBsBoat · 25/07/2025 18:16

And @ExtraOnions of course there is British culture. Have you lived outside the UK? If not, then maybe you don’t realise.

MaggieBsBoat · 25/07/2025 18:14

Your friend is of course right. It is not racism to point out the difficulties and complexities of trying to fulfil the needs of a multicultural society. It is very difficult. And I say that as a British immigrant in another country. I think you need to work on your critical thinking skills. You’re saying this is racism sounds like the binary thinking of a teen or young adult.

saveforthat · 25/07/2025 18:13

OrangeCrushes · 25/07/2025 18:00

While I agree with everything you have said, I think it's actually worse in many other cultures?

Agreed and just because we have our own low life why let in more who don't even pay lip service to equality of the sexes.

ThejoyofNC · 25/07/2025 18:09

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:52

…so is there some sort if Generic “British Culture” that we are all agreed on, and signed up to?
Surely if we know that some cultures don’t “fit in”, we must know what our culture, is and isn’t.

So what is the British Culture that people from other cultures don’t fit in with ?

Are you joking? Of course Britain has a British culture. Just like every other country.

Bubblegumicecreamm · 25/07/2025 18:09

CopperWhite · 25/07/2025 17:58

Statistics are irrelevant to the fact that if you negatively judge individuals and would treat them differently based on the country that they come from, you are racist.

We shouldn’t treat individuals differently based on where they come from, but you can’t just say the statistics mean nothing because they don’t align with the theoretical ‘right’ way to see the world.

I guess when asylum seekers are getting minor punishments for sexual crimes based on the defence of “it not being wrong in their country” they are lying?

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 18:09

ThatBoldBear · 25/07/2025 18:08

bingo, the old Britain has no culture chestnut.

….so if we do, what is it ? Is it just Bingo ?

ThatBoldBear · 25/07/2025 18:08

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:52

…so is there some sort if Generic “British Culture” that we are all agreed on, and signed up to?
Surely if we know that some cultures don’t “fit in”, we must know what our culture, is and isn’t.

So what is the British Culture that people from other cultures don’t fit in with ?

bingo, the old Britain has no culture chestnut.

Mixedmix · 25/07/2025 18:08

I’m mixed race and I agree with your friend.

2024onwardsandup · 25/07/2025 18:05

I agree with her. I’m a culturalist. I think some cultures are better than others - my test is the status and treatment of wowmn and girls.

cultures who treat women and girls badly are not good cultures. If people from those cultures want to live here they change they ways.

and frankly we should be putting far more pressure internationally on cultures in other countries that treat women and girls poorly

(and yes there are still big issues about the treatment of women and girls in the UK - bit it is nothing compared)

EFB2025 · 25/07/2025 18:03

I agree with your friend, and wouldn't have described anything she said, as being 'racist'... I'd have called it, pretty much, stating facts! Sorry OP!

ThatBoldBear · 25/07/2025 18:02

Surely you must be aware of events in the U.K. over the last 30 years outside your village? Your friend is correct.

OrangeCrushes · 25/07/2025 18:00

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:57

Are women well treated within our British Culture?

What I see are record numbers of violent and sexual crimes against women and girls, the almost decriminalised of Rape, an employment system that keeps women in poverty, children left in poverty because their fathers don’t pay for them, Domestic violence not treated properly, poor sentencing for crimes against women and girls, rampant misogyny both in person and online, victim blaming for women who don’t cover themselves properly.

What a Utopia for Women this country is …

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While I agree with everything you have said, I think it's actually worse in many other cultures?

CopperWhite · 25/07/2025 17:58

Bubblegumicecreamm · 25/07/2025 17:37

Why don’t you check out the stats for sexual offences?

Statistics are irrelevant to the fact that if you negatively judge individuals and would treat them differently based on the country that they come from, you are racist.

NewbieYou · 25/07/2025 17:57

That would be xenophobia. Not racism.

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:57

keeptalkinghappytalk · 25/07/2025 17:45

oh please spare a thought for the women in those countries the young male asylum seekers leave behind.
Forced marriages, prohibition on working/ going out alone/ ... a legal system that requires subordination by a wife... or wives... to their husband... violent punishment for women who disobey/ break chastity laws/ don t cover their bodies and heads appropriately.

Are women well treated within our British Culture?

What I see are record numbers of violent and sexual crimes against women and girls, the almost decriminalised of Rape, an employment system that keeps women in poverty, children left in poverty because their fathers don’t pay for them, Domestic violence not treated properly, poor sentencing for crimes against women and girls, rampant misogyny both in person and online, victim blaming for women who don’t cover themselves properly.

What a Utopia for Women this country is …

ExtraOnions · 25/07/2025 17:52

…so is there some sort if Generic “British Culture” that we are all agreed on, and signed up to?
Surely if we know that some cultures don’t “fit in”, we must know what our culture, is and isn’t.

So what is the British Culture that people from other cultures don’t fit in with ?

saveforthat · 25/07/2025 17:51

I bet this is a reverse as noone is that naive.

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