This is why we should bring back the death penalty

The instant people start resorting to name calling and insults they have lost the argument.

because typically people only do that when they have nothing intelligent to say.

It’s interesting that not one supporter of the death penalty on this thread has formulated a reasoned argument for why it should be reinstated.

The arguments for are based purely on emotion, the wish for revenge, and in some instances, disturbingly, some posters’ clearly psychopathic tendencies dressed up as desire for justice.

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right

Firstly, no-one has said people should be allowed to commit those crimes. Stop making stuff up.

Listen to yourself - all the name-calling of those who don't agree with you; cowards, immoral fools, idiots. DO, try and make decent arguments, it's so important.

Non-human monsters? If they weren't human it's doubtful you'd be calling for the death penalty because that is reserved for humans. Dodgy logic.

They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.
What does that even mean?

It's a good thing that the chances of reinstatement of capital punishment are vanishingly small.

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right.

Once again, if you are capable of this you are not human. Only cowardly, immoral fools pretend not to understand that.

It's always the same over privileged idiots who have never experienced the sheer horror of an attack or seen a murdered or raped child or spent any more than ten seconds in their whole social scrabbling lives in true terror who whine and snivel about the rights of non humans.

Or - worse - those who identify with the non human monsters. They're always evident on these sorts of threads too.

If you are feigning a faux attack of the vapours at putting down rabid dogs who are not human and are capable of the slaughter, murder and rape of children, sit down and shut up.

As always, those who know what it means to protect innocent people - including over privileged fools like you - will have to step up and do your job for you.

So yes, execute these cancers on society. They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.

That post creeped me right out. It could be a speech Hitler might have made, totally verbatim. Subhumans, polluting the gene pool, animals, and on and on.
I know we're talking about murderers, not a whole race of people, so it's not the same, but anything that sounds like Nazi type rhetoric makes me cringe.

There are no exceptions to human rights, the right to life being the most important one. To start making exceptions for certain kinds of people would set a dangerous precedent. It has a brutalizing effect on society when the state declares that not all humans have the right to live. Your post has a creepy eugenicist feel to it with those comments about polluting the gene pool and certain members of society not being human. Those kind of ideas were popular in Germany in the 1930s and you will no doubt remember that it did not end well.
Being a murderer is not genetic, so there's no polluting of the gene pool involved.
Killers are humans. They're just shitty humans. They should be harshly punished for being shitty enough to take a life. It is not necessary to kill them. Life without parole is more than sufficient.

The trouble is, no matter how many times you claim the obvious, the simple fact is that this person is a human. Our law says we must not kill other humans. It's just specious and disingenuous to try to get around that by making unsustainable claims like this.

Every killer? Even those who kill in self-defence, or out of fear, or as the result of intolerable stresses, or out of mercy for a terminally ill relative in awful pain? How about where the killing is found to be manslaughter? Where exactly do you draw the line?

Again, the creature in this article is not a human being. You lose your right to be called human when you choose these behaviours. I would put that creature down, immediately. And all creatures like him. It is the ONLY way that societies can ever hope to heal. The monumental damage done by these monstrous non humans is enormous. They pollute the gene pool, they cause immense and unfixable harm that spreads out in widening pool - forever.

It is a cowardly, morally bankrupt act to pretend otherwise. It is the difficult and right thing to do. Rabid dogs are shot, these creatures should also be euthanised. No human being should ever have to feed them, clothe them, talk to them, give them medical treatment or otherwise interact with non humans, that is stripping actual humans of THEIR human rights. No amount of money should be wasted on feeding them or keeping them housed.

Put them down. If you are too weak to make the right moral decision, there are others who will do it for you.

Whole life sentence with the option for voluntary if he wants out early.

Thats what they do to child killers in Belgium.

I’d rather he suffered in prison!

Literally a fence rail. It was an old time custom to cut one down, force someone considered an undesirable to straddle it while multiple people carried the miscreant on it out of town.

I am suggesting that the country should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. Law-breakers should be dealt with in whatever way causes the least inconvenience to law-abiders. Both in terms of cost and everything else.

I believe that minor offenders can reasonably be rehabilitated but killers? No way, and it's not worth the risk when they have already killed. They are failed humans.

What are you suggesting - whole life sentences for large numbers of people?

What is a rail? I’ve often wondered….

@OonaStubbs are you in charge if anything in RL?

Whaaaaaat? 😵
I am a passionate dog lover, so I'm for getting out the pitchforks, tar and feathers. Damn it, where's a rail to run somebody out of town on when you really need one?

Edited to add that I'm kidding, in case mods might object to this.

You should see that poster’s work on any dog-related thread. She thinks they should all be poisoned, or put in zoos and that we should only be allowed robots for blind people rather than guide dogs.

How do you imagine it would work if we decreed that people lose their rights as soon as they are charged with a crime? Does it mean that, for instance, they automatically lose their right to freedom? Are you happy to pay extra taxes for the thousands of prison places we would need for people on bail? If they lose their right to freedom for ever, irrespective of the offence they are charged with, surely that incentivises them to commit the worst crimes? After all, in that situation you may as well kill off all the witnesses if you commit an offence, your sentence won't be any worse as a result.

You don't believe in allowing possibly innocent people to appeal and would simply execute them yet you claim that you know absolutely right from wrong!!?? Can you seriously not see the contradiction there??

I take it you don't believe that there can ever be any grey areas or cases that are questionable at all.

What utter bilge!!

The problem is that you have said you are against the right to appeal and prove that the accused are, in fact, not law breakers, which invalidates your position completely. You apparently don't care if the innocent get executed without due process of law. This is massively hypocritical if your claim is you are motivated by regard for the law and concern for those who abide by it.
If you had ever been the victim of a false accusation I wager you'd change your tune in a flash. Are you unable to empathize with the falsely accused at all? Do you really think people should be swiftly put to death without a chance to prove there was a miscarriage of justice? If so, I have to say that's a disturbing and seemingly sociopathic point of view.

I am not pro-life in the slightest. Or right wing. I believe in right and wrong, and the world should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. Law-breakers should be dealt with in whatever way causes the least inconvenience to law-abiders. Their "rights" should not even be a consideration, they lost that right when they chose the become lawbreakers.

It also shows a strong streak of authoritarianism. I have been discussing this issue with an untold number of people for at least twenty five years and have found proponents of the death penalty are almost always authoritarian types and are usually hard right wing, though that's not universal.
They are often the same people who claim to be "pro-life," which is an irony they can't seem to appreciate. The usual slow-witted response to somebody pointing out that bit of hypocrisy is usually something along the lines of; "That's an innocent baby so it deserves to live! Murderers don't!"
To me if you're really pro human life then that philosophy should apply to all humans, not just those you personally consider deserving.

Presumably Oona is one of these people who is also disgusted by the worst sort of criminals having trials and considers defence lawyers to be as bad as the people they represent. I mean, we’ve already established some crimes are just so obvious there can be no doubt about them, so why have trials, let alone appeals?

A common view among those whose fervour to be appalled and be seen to be appalled overrides all else.

As I said already, there's a good reason why you are not in charge.

You spout dangerous bollocks and couldn't give a shit about possible miscarriages of justice.

An innocent person could be killed because you deemed the right to appeal to be pointless. I suppose you think they are just numbers, and collateral damage!? Do you think that just saying "oops, sorry" to their families would be sufficient compensation? I would bet that you do.

All this bullshit is the very reason why the death penalty must never be reinstated.

Brilliant post. Your daughter is a treasure.
I do think there are prisoners who cannot be rehabilitated (the sadistic psychopaths) but they are by no means the majority.