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juggleit · 31/07/2025 04:54

No , we shouldnt have the desth penalty, they ahould pay for their crimes, one day at a time, rotting in prison.

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 03:04

It doesn't help when you have sentences of as little as seven years in prison being called "a life sentence".

If life meant life and prisons went back to being proper prisons, and not holiday camps, I think there would be far fewer people calling for a return of the death sentence.

Custody photograph of Tracy Turner, 52. She has brown hair pulled back in a ponytail, with a brown full fringe. She has blue eyes, wears a nose ring and looks at the camera.

Tracy Turner sees sentence reduced after planning child sex attacks

Officials have used the “slip rule” to adjust the sentences of Stuart Compton and Tracy Turner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkr182gg21o

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:38

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

It isn't just murderers who attack prison guards. All kinds of prisoners do that. So no, it would not make prisons any safer. Very often murderers, particularly killers of women and children and serial killers in general, will be the targets of other prisoners. Jeffrey Dahmer, for example, was forced to dress as a girl and sexually assaulted for years before finally being murdered. There are a great many cases of killers being murdered in prison or killing themselves because they couldn't stand to live if they were being preyed on like they preyed on the innocent.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:28

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:42

It makes those who are too cowardly to accept reality, too fortunate to have ever dealt with monsters or real violence, too blinkered to understand that they should stay silent on issues they don't understand - it makes them feel better.

They can sip on a smoothie in their safe little bubbles, and nod sagely at the others of their ilk who have never faced these monsters, and tell themselves they are good people because they want to allow beasts to continue to destroy, taint and tarnish every human life they come in contact with. Rather than having the courage to accept that it is the right, moral, humane and kind thing to put them down.

I could say I wish they had to reap what they sowed and that defenders of these creatures actually had to come in direct contact with these monsters. But I am too ethical and moral and humane for that.

I just wish they would somehow realise that they are not, in any way, better people for being moral cowards who care about appearing nice far more than about the reality of the damage done to humans by allowing these creatures to live.

Edited

See a psychiatrist. You obviously have a lot of anger rooted in trauma and you're taking it out on strangers on the internet. That isn't healthy.
I think you actually do wish ill on people who don't support the death penalty, which is why you made that comment. When people say "I could say" something that's nasty, they really mean they want to say it but know they will be blasted for it. I do not believe you are as ethical and humane as you tell yourself you are. You're spitting hatred, bile and false accusations towards people just because they don't share your views. That is hardly ethical or humane. Get some proper help instead of rage-spewing on the internet for goodness sake.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:19

outlanderish · 31/07/2025 01:52

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent. Pedophiles/rapists should be castrated the second they are caught, murderers should be hung/sentenced to death and so fourth. Let's take United Arab Emirates, there is very little criminal activity taking place over there, because their prisons are absolutely vile to be in and you will lose your hand for as little as being caught stealing a lollipop. Crime rates would drop drastically if we brought back capital punishment. We're far too soft now, this is why crime is at an all time high.

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You mean no trials at all, just immediate castration without due process? That's creepy as hell.

It has long been established that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent. There are many studies which show this.

I might point out to you that there are no cases in which it's impossible for a person to be innocent. That would only be the case if the person was caught in the act by multiple, unimpeachable witnesses, which rarely, if ever, happens.

If you want a draconian regime like Saudi Arabia, you should be very careful what you wish for.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:11

echt · 30/07/2025 04:19

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right

Firstly, no-one has said people should be allowed to commit those crimes. Stop making stuff up.

Listen to yourself - all the name-calling of those who don't agree with you; cowards, immoral fools, idiots. DO, try and make decent arguments, it's so important.

Non-human monsters? If they weren't human it's doubtful you'd be calling for the death penalty because that is reserved for humans. Dodgy logic.

They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.
What does that even mean?

It's a good thing that the chances of reinstatement of capital punishment are vanishingly small.

It's amusing that she keeps quoting herself, posting a bunch of crazy insults and accusations, making it look like she's trolling herself.
There seem to be some bats screeching away in that belfry.

echt · 31/07/2025 02:02

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent

The Birmingham Six were proven guilty, except of course they weren't. Good job there was no death penalty then.

Timothy Evans was not so fortunate.

The murder rate in the UK is decreasing.

hhtddbkoygv · 31/07/2025 02:02

How would the death penalty have prevented this child's death?

outlanderish · 31/07/2025 01:52

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent. Pedophiles/rapists should be castrated the second they are caught, murderers should be hung/sentenced to death and so fourth. Let's take United Arab Emirates, there is very little criminal activity taking place over there, because their prisons are absolutely vile to be in and you will lose your hand for as little as being caught stealing a lollipop. Crime rates would drop drastically if we brought back capital punishment. We're far too soft now, this is why crime is at an all time high.

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:42

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

It makes those who are too cowardly to accept reality, too fortunate to have ever dealt with monsters or real violence, too blinkered to understand that they should stay silent on issues they don't understand - it makes them feel better.

They can sip on a smoothie in their safe little bubbles, and nod sagely at the others of their ilk who have never faced these monsters, and tell themselves they are good people because they want to allow beasts to continue to destroy, taint and tarnish every human life they come in contact with. Rather than having the courage to accept that it is the right, moral, humane and kind thing to put them down.

I could say I wish they had to reap what they sowed and that defenders of these creatures actually had to come in direct contact with these monsters. But I am too ethical and moral and humane for that.

I just wish they would somehow realise that they are not, in any way, better people for being moral cowards who care about appearing nice far more than about the reality of the damage done to humans by allowing these creatures to live.

echt · 31/07/2025 01:41

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

Everyone in prison is not like him.

echt · 31/07/2025 01:40

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:39

So yes, execute these monstrous non human cancers on society. It is literally the only normal, humane, moral and ethical thing to do.

You again.

You have made no ethical or moral case for the death penalty.

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:39

ohnotthisagain2025 · 30/07/2025 04:04

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right.

Once again, if you are capable of this you are not human. Only cowardly, immoral fools pretend not to understand that.

It's always the same over privileged idiots who have never experienced the sheer horror of an attack or seen a murdered or raped child or spent any more than ten seconds in their whole social scrabbling lives in true terror who whine and snivel about the rights of non humans.

Or - worse - those who identify with the non human monsters. They're always evident on these sorts of threads too.

If you are feigning a faux attack of the vapours at putting down rabid dogs who are not human and are capable of the slaughter, murder and rape of children, sit down and shut up.

As always, those who know what it means to protect innocent people - including over privileged fools like you - will have to step up and do your job for you.

So yes, execute these cancers on society. They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.

Edited

So yes, execute these monstrous non human cancers on society. It is literally the only normal, humane, moral and ethical thing to do.

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 30/07/2025 19:05

When we discuss this at work ( in a prison) I have not met one single member of staff who would stay if a DP was brought in

i doubt many would and as it stands we are all bending over backwards to keep prisoners alive!! DP is the opposite to our values

there’s a chronic staff shortage problem. There will be no staff to run the prisons. So what then Oona?? What then?

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

Allisnotlost1 · 30/07/2025 23:19

OonaStubbs · 27/07/2025 20:41

I am not pro-life in the slightest. Or right wing. I believe in right and wrong, and the world should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. Law-breakers should be dealt with in whatever way causes the least inconvenience to law-abiders. Their "rights" should not even be a consideration, they lost that right when they chose the become lawbreakers.

‘Law breakers’ mean you, Oona, have the vote. I wonder how many times you’ve broken the law. Driven too fast, not bought a train ticket, drunk or smoked under age, taken drugs, not owned up when given the wrong change, or kept a fiver you found on the floor, taken your child out of school for a holiday, dropped litter…

Allisnotlost1 · 30/07/2025 23:13

ohnotthisagain2025 · 29/07/2025 23:19

Again, the creature in this article is not a human being. You lose your right to be called human when you choose these behaviours. I would put that creature down, immediately. And all creatures like him. It is the ONLY way that societies can ever hope to heal. The monumental damage done by these monstrous non humans is enormous. They pollute the gene pool, they cause immense and unfixable harm that spreads out in widening pool - forever.

It is a cowardly, morally bankrupt act to pretend otherwise. It is the difficult and right thing to do. Rabid dogs are shot, these creatures should also be euthanised. No human being should ever have to feed them, clothe them, talk to them, give them medical treatment or otherwise interact with non humans, that is stripping actual humans of THEIR human rights. No amount of money should be wasted on feeding them or keeping them housed.

Put them down. If you are too weak to make the right moral decision, there are others who will do it for you.

Edited

The person in the case killed his own offspring. Your creepy concern about him ‘polluting the gene pool’ is therefore allayed. But by your logic, you also see the children of the Wests, of Levi Bellfeld etc as pollution, rather than people.

How disgusting.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 30/07/2025 21:29

and where would this money come from??

the prison service is on its knees as it is

OneAmusedShark · 30/07/2025 21:10

For those who think that it could never happen that the death penalty is brought back in the UK, just remember that Brexit used to be the province of an extreme few parties and then one day we had a referendum and it happened.

The same could easily happen with the death penalty.

In the USA there were no executions from
1967 - 1977 and everyone in the 70s thought it would never come back there. There was even a Supreme Court judgement in 1972 that said it was unconatitutional, but that got overturned.

There were even some US states that hadn’t had an execution for decades that started doing them again in the 90s and 2000s after not having done them since the 40s and 50s, so it’s not such a remote possibility.

The last execution in the UK was in 1964 so there are still plenty of people around (including my DM and DF) who remember when we had the death penalty here.

ilovesooty · 30/07/2025 20:16

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2025 18:41

Prison staff would run the prisons, just as they do in countries that have the DP. Which is not just the USA.

How many prisons have you been in?

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2025 19:15

Would it be wise for someone currently working among prisoners to be openly in favour of the death penalty?

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 30/07/2025 19:05

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2025 18:41

Prison staff would run the prisons, just as they do in countries that have the DP. Which is not just the USA.

When we discuss this at work ( in a prison) I have not met one single member of staff who would stay if a DP was brought in

i doubt many would and as it stands we are all bending over backwards to keep prisoners alive!! DP is the opposite to our values

there’s a chronic staff shortage problem. There will be no staff to run the prisons. So what then Oona?? What then?

OonaStubbs · 30/07/2025 18:41

Prison staff would run the prisons, just as they do in countries that have the DP. Which is not just the USA.

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 30/07/2025 18:24

still someone’s sons and daughters

i would leave the service (already incredibly short staffed) if the DP was brought back. As would many of my colleagues

who will run your prisons then?

Thelnebriati · 30/07/2025 09:04

ohnotthisagain2025 You don't sound well informed, I recommend you read 'Predators' by Anna Salter;
www.amazon.co.uk/Predators-Pedophiles-Rapists-Other-Offenders/dp/0465071732

AloeVeraAloeFred · 30/07/2025 07:11

ohnotthisagain2025 · 30/07/2025 04:04

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right.

Once again, if you are capable of this you are not human. Only cowardly, immoral fools pretend not to understand that.

It's always the same over privileged idiots who have never experienced the sheer horror of an attack or seen a murdered or raped child or spent any more than ten seconds in their whole social scrabbling lives in true terror who whine and snivel about the rights of non humans.

Or - worse - those who identify with the non human monsters. They're always evident on these sorts of threads too.

If you are feigning a faux attack of the vapours at putting down rabid dogs who are not human and are capable of the slaughter, murder and rape of children, sit down and shut up.

As always, those who know what it means to protect innocent people - including over privileged fools like you - will have to step up and do your job for you.

So yes, execute these cancers on society. They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.

Edited

How can opposition to the death penalty amount to "immense privilege" when it is the position of the majority of people in the UK?

Are you able to comprehend why many actual victims of violent crime and their families remain opposed to the death penalty - or is anyone under any circumstances who disagrees with your opinion a privileged, cowardly, immoral fool?

How is the death penalty a way to serve the law abiding public when there is clearly evidence it doesn't deter or reduce serious crime? Increases the risk of violent criminals being free in society because jurors are more reluctant to convict them? And actually, as you admit, results in a small number of law abiding citizens being wrongly put to death?

Lastly, in your system, how does it work if someone murders a fellow "non human"? Should vigilantism against murderers attract the death penalty? What if the status of the victim as human Vs non human can't be determined / proved?

Thanks