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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/07/2025 23:11

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 22:52

Are you saying the Daily Mail report is untrue?

“The premature baby suffered ‘catastrophic injuries’ to his jaw, head, neck and legs at Yeovil District Hospital, Somerset.”

There’s no “complexity” about it.

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The idea of bringing back the death penalty is highly complex and fraught with the danger of getting it wrong. That’s why knee jerk, ‘Bring it back’ reactions, even to horrific clear-cut crimes remain too simplistic.

randomchap · 24/07/2025 23:10

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:06

@randomchap How is it? Do you really believe that this creature deserves to live?

I believe that the death penalty is barbaric, it does not act as a deterrent, and should not be reinstated.

Innocent people have been killed by the state

That does not make me, or anyone else, arguing against it as bad as the perpetrator as you so claimed.

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:10

UnderCoverB0ss · 24/07/2025 23:07

Where do you draw the line? A road death is acceptable? Medical negligence? Freak golfball? Who decides?

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For me the line is killing a child. Star Hobson, Arthur Labinjo-Hughes, Sara Sharif, Baby P (to name a few) - their killers are pure evil.

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DalstonsRhubarb · 24/07/2025 23:09

I don’t support the death penalty in any circumstances. Drawing attention to horrific crimes isn’t going to change my mind on this. It’s an absolute.

Lock this terrible man up. I’m happy to pay my taxes to fund his incarceration.

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:09

OK. Whatever. Hmm

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:08

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:05

Not it’s not, at all. Which is why I said you should use your intelligence. And also that he deserves incarceration. I did not, for one moment, suggest that he should be excused in any kind of way.

It’s not excusing him. But why do you think this has happened?

Stop the knee-jerk reaction.

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Because you’re asking me to find reasons why he did this as mitigation. Presumably blaming his upbringing, the government, etc. That is all irrelevant because nothing and no one else is to blame except him.

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UnderCoverB0ss · 24/07/2025 23:07

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:03

I’m struggling to see that right now. Why should the scumbag who murdered an innocent baby get to live when his victim didn’t?

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Where do you draw the line? A road death is acceptable? Medical negligence? Freak golfball? Who decides?

Ladamesansmerci · 24/07/2025 23:07

OP I'm honestly with you. In cases like this and things such as mass shootings with eye witnesses where we know without a doubt who has done it, it's hard to argue that these people deserve to live.

I'm opposed to the death penalty because there are too many risks with it and the chance of innocent people being harmed is too high, but on a purely moral level, I would not lose sleep over people like this dying 🤷

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/07/2025 23:07

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:03

I completely agree with you, OP. Anyone attempting to rationalise why we shouldn't reinstate the death penalty is just as disturbed as those who committed the crimes, to be honest.

Bit of a leap 😂

LemondrizzleShark · 24/07/2025 23:06

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 22:59

Here’s a Guardian link, for anyone who thinks if it’s reported in the Daily Mail it cannot possibly be true:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/24/man-guilty-murder-two-week-old-son-somerset-baby-unit

Nobody is disputing it’s true. We just don’t think this means we should bring back the death penalty.

Why this one and not any of the other horrific cases, OP?

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:06

@randomchap How is it? Do you really believe that this creature deserves to live?

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:05

needNC · 24/07/2025 23:04

From hearing the news about this vile creature I personally think that spending his time with the inmates at HMP will get him sorted and regret the bloody horrific injuries he caused to an innocent baby.

I hope so. But will he be mingling with other prisoners or kept in a high security wing “for his own safety” 🙄

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BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:05

Not it’s not, at all. Which is why I said you should use your intelligence. And also that he deserves incarceration. I did not, for one moment, suggest that he should be excused in any kind of way.

It’s not excusing him. But why do you think this has happened?

Stop the knee-jerk reaction.

needNC · 24/07/2025 23:04

From hearing the news about this vile creature I personally think that spending his time with the inmates at HMP will get him sorted and regret the bloody horrific injuries he caused to an innocent baby.

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:04

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:02

It is a horrible story. Perhaps you should use your intelligence to consider just how we end up with people who commit these crimes in our society?

That would be excusing his actions in some way. And there is no excuse for killing a newborn baby in hospital. None.

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Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 24/07/2025 23:04

A society must be better than the worst of its members.

There was a massive failure here. There is no way they should have been allowed near that baby.

randomchap · 24/07/2025 23:03

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:03

I completely agree with you, OP. Anyone attempting to rationalise why we shouldn't reinstate the death penalty is just as disturbed as those who committed the crimes, to be honest.

Well, that's just not true is it. Hyperbolic nonsense

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:03

UnderCoverB0ss · 24/07/2025 22:59

Legalising murder makes us as bad as them.

I’m struggling to see that right now. Why should the scumbag who murdered an innocent baby get to live when his victim didn’t?

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novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:03

I completely agree with you, OP. Anyone attempting to rationalise why we shouldn't reinstate the death penalty is just as disturbed as those who committed the crimes, to be honest.

CalicoPusscat · 24/07/2025 23:03

I understand the sentiment but am against the death sentence. As a civilised society as a whole it can't happen.

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:02

It is a horrible story. Perhaps you should use your intelligence to consider just how we end up with people who commit these crimes in our society?

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/07/2025 23:01

Extreme cases make bad law.

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:01

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/07/2025 22:57

There will be miscarriages of justice. So you will be executing some innocent people. Maybe not this guy, but once you bring it back it’s an absolute certainty that some cases will be wrongly decided.

Also someone had to be the executioner. I don’t think we should be in the business of either putting someone in that position or encouraging anyone who is happy to do it.

Also it’s very much arguable that a whole life term is a worse punishment - but doesn’t fall foul of the above difficulties. Anyone wrongly convicted can be released when it comes to light, but they can’t if you have killed them.

Fair post. I just feel so upset by this story.

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 24/07/2025 23:00

It costs more to keep someone on death row until they are killed rather than in prison their whole life

It doesn't act ad a deterrent in any way

The wrong people get killed

It won't bring people they've murdered back

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:00

In a civilised society we should not be murdering people.

Punishment is through incarceration, thus losing liberty.