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JoyDivision79 · 24/07/2025 23:46

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:40

God, this is hard work. That’s NOT justice and violence in prisons needs to be extinguished not applauded.

It is based in emotion I agree. There's a cost associated with prisoners. If extinguished via prison justice, that's one less cost. I wouldn't weep for that guy.
Yet, where does it begin and where end. And what about the innocent people in prison. It's a very difficult subject.

I approve of the idea that peadophiles could be killed in prison. Tbh. Yet, again, mistakes, false accusations or imprisonment does happen. So I'd possibly back track on that.

The thought of these people free and in circulation is unnerving. This is what would feed my above bloodlust. 😬

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/07/2025 23:46

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:43

I don’t believe anyone could have prevented Sara Sharif’s murder.

There were countless mistakes made and he should never have been allowed to keep her. She was failed by agencies that should have protected her.

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/07/2025 23:46

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:43

@WhereIsMyJumper In what manner? Is it because I believe these dreadful individuals should not be allowed to continue living?

You’re not exactly arguing your point with grace, are you? Just constantly saying the same things over again and accusing other posters of being stupid. If you strongly feel that the DP should be brought back then ok, you’re entitled to that opinion. But you’re hardly going to bring other’s around to your way of thinking by speaking to them the way you are.

Chonk · 24/07/2025 23:46

I hope he's killed in prison.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 24/07/2025 23:46

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:35

We gain revenge, and that feels good. Like justice has actually been done. And it’s not just him - I feel the same about all child killers.

Revenge is not the same as justice, it is causing pain because you have been hurt, nothing more. As PPs have said the existence of the death penalty is damaging to us as a society and their will be miscarriages of justice, and a single completed death sentence where the defendant was guilty is one too many.

Life should mean life though for murder.

Buxusmortus · 24/07/2025 23:45

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:24

I wonder how many miscarriages of justice there have been for child killers.

Sally Clark.

Do you have evidence that there are fewer murders in countries which have capital punishment?

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:45

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:43

I don’t believe anyone could have prevented Sara Sharif’s murder.

Well, you would likely be wrong.

opportunisticcaketheif · 24/07/2025 23:45

The death penalty is barbaric. Yes so was this case but the state should not be carrying out barbaric acts as retribution for a crime. Let the man do his time in prison and it won’t be a pleasant experience for him.

Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:45

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:42

Because working with perpetrators goes a long way towards stopping repeat behaviors and thus preventing future victims.

So does killing them to be fair. It has the ultimate low risk of reoffending rate.

OonaStubbs · 24/07/2025 23:45

We should have a referendum on whether to bring back the death penalty. I am very confident that "yes" would win, and by quite a large margin.

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:45

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:43

Yes. Tell me how the assault on her father made ANY difference?

It made him feel a fraction of the fear he inflicted on his poor child. Do you not think he deserves that, at the very least?

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SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:44

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:43

@SummerEve Let me remind you.

Sara was hooded, burned and beaten during a "campaign of torture" that lasted two years before her body was found at the family home in Woking, Surrey, in 2023.

You don’t need to remind me of anything, I live and work in the local area.

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:43

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:42

Have you read what Sara Sharif went through?

Yes. Tell me how the assault on her father made ANY difference?

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:43

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:42

Because working with perpetrators goes a long way towards stopping repeat behaviors and thus preventing future victims.

I don’t believe anyone could have prevented Sara Sharif’s murder.

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WhereIsMyJumper · 24/07/2025 23:43

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:35

We gain revenge, and that feels good. Like justice has actually been done. And it’s not just him - I feel the same about all child killers.

I get it, I really do. After little Arthur was killed and I saw footage of him crying and saying nobody loved him I was beside myself for weeks. I kept imagining scenarios where terrible things would happen to the monsters that killed him. I kept googling that woman’s name in the hope that I would read that something terrible had happened to her in prison. I was obsessed.

Then I realised that one of the things I hated those murderers for was for making me feel the way I felt. For making me fantasise about another human suffering and dying, it felt like an ugly part of me that I wanted nothing to do with.

Thats why the emotion needs to be removed. Revenge is emotion-fuelled.

ilovesooty · 24/07/2025 23:43

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No. I said that what you said was ridiculous. I did not personally insult you. You have described people who disagreed with you as disturbed and have doubled down on what you said. You've also now described me as dim.

Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:43

UnderCoverB0ss · 24/07/2025 22:59

Legalising murder makes us as bad as them.

No it doesn't. Killing an adult who murdered a child, with a lethal injection, is no where near as bad as the violence that he inflicted on a 2 week old baby who was born prematurely and still on NICU when he killed him. He had a fractured skull, a fractured jaw, fractured spine and fractured legs according to the BBC article.

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:43

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You must be rude to yourself an awful lot then

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:43

@WhereIsMyJumper In what manner? Is it because I believe these dreadful individuals should not be allowed to continue living?

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:43

@SummerEve Let me remind you.

Sara was hooded, burned and beaten during a "campaign of torture" that lasted two years before her body was found at the family home in Woking, Surrey, in 2023.

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SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:42

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:40

Well, you’re a better person than I am. But why work with the perpetrators and not the victims?

Because working with perpetrators goes a long way towards stopping repeat behaviors and thus preventing future victims.

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:42

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:40

God, this is hard work. That’s NOT justice and violence in prisons needs to be extinguished not applauded.

Have you read what Sara Sharif went through?

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SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:40

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:39

At least there is some justice sometimes - but it still doesn’t come close to what their victims suffered.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/03/sara-sharif-father-police-investigate-after-reports-of-prison-attack

God, this is hard work. That’s NOT justice and violence in prisons needs to be extinguished not applauded.

PollyBell · 24/07/2025 23:40

And anyone who has or brings a person in a child's life who harms them should also be charged, if a person is not appropriate to breed with then dont

Maybe if both partners get charged people with think twice who they sleep with or move the next partner in ie 'step' parents in because they want a replacement partner or put sex before the children they decide to have