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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 25/07/2025 00:09

ilovesooty · 25/07/2025 00:06

You do realise that personal attacks are a breach of the talk guidelines?

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I’ve reported multiple posts but no reply from MN as yet. Maybe we need to just not feed?

Allisnotlost1 · 25/07/2025 00:09

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:01

Fair post. I just feel so upset by this story.

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You’re not being unreasonable to be upset by the story, it’s absolutely horrible. But killing him after the fact won’t stop a single other murder from happening, and it might even encourage more. There’s some evidence from the US that making harsher sentences for sexual violence resulted in more murders.

novanova5 · 25/07/2025 00:09

@ilovesooty Telling someone that they are beyond hope is not considered a personal attack then? It appears rather one sided, doesn't it?

Additionally, could you kindly refrain from being the teacher's pet!

MaloryJones · 25/07/2025 00:07

needNC · 24/07/2025 23:04

From hearing the news about this vile creature I personally think that spending his time with the inmates at HMP will get him sorted and regret the bloody horrific injuries he caused to an innocent baby.

Absolutely

Robin67 · 25/07/2025 00:07

LBFseBrom · 25/07/2025 00:05

The Daily HateMail doing what it does best, inciting outrage in its readers.

Yes, the crime was beyond dreadful.

No, the death penalty should not be reinstated.

The Times, BBC and Guardian also reported it.

I believe it's the crime itself that is inciting outrage in most normal people.

TheGrimSmile · 25/07/2025 00:06

BIWI · 24/07/2025 23:02

It is a horrible story. Perhaps you should use your intelligence to consider just how we end up with people who commit these crimes in our society?

This.

ilovesooty · 25/07/2025 00:06

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You do realise that personal attacks are a breach of the talk guidelines?

SummerEve · 25/07/2025 00:06

Robin67 · 25/07/2025 00:03

@SummerEve cool. What context does someone not realise that slamming their baby into the cot side is bad? No learning disabilities have been mentioned. He does look like a junkie and probably had a shit upbringing but so did lots of others who don't do this.

I don’t disagree with any of this.

JoyDivision79 · 25/07/2025 00:06

Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:58

@SummerEve sometimes wider context is not important. It's individual cases and people that count. I think it was Colin Pitchfork who raped and killed and then was freed. He shouldn't have been. It's much better for society to be rid of him. I care no more about rehabilitating him, than he does about the safety of women and girls.

Who doesn't already know that kidnapping young girls, raping them and killing them is bad and you shouldn't do it? "Oh sorry guvnor, I didn't realise". Rehabilitation my arse.

This is where I'm torn. I've explained my concerns should we have a DP. Yet, these situations I believe happen too often. I'd prefer these beasts to be removed from circulation, e.g dead.

There's no reliable way of trusting any single system that we have though. That's the Police ( probably a fair few rapists, wife batterers, sociopaths), same for the medical profession and on and on.

We can't hand over full trust over life and death to any body with power.

BluntPlumHam · 25/07/2025 00:05

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 22:59

Here’s a Guardian link, for anyone who thinks if it’s reported in the Daily Mail it cannot possibly be true:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/24/man-guilty-murder-two-week-old-son-somerset-baby-unit

Just read the article. Horrid, horrid human however how on earth did he get away with causing such severe injuries inside a special care unit? Where were the staff? Also, he clearly was a danger to the baby beforehand when he removed the nasal tube so why on earth staff allowed him back. No wonder the entire unit has been closed down. The standard of care is abysmal so abysmal that you can torture a baby (he had so many injuries) and no one would notice. Staff need to be struck off.

SummerEve · 25/07/2025 00:05

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No, quite happy here thanks. You do realize it’s not obligatory to respond to me 😂😂

LBFseBrom · 25/07/2025 00:05

The Daily HateMail doing what it does best, inciting outrage in its readers.

Yes, the crime was beyond dreadful.

No, the death penalty should not be reinstated.

Robin67 · 25/07/2025 00:03

@SummerEve cool. What context does someone not realise that slamming their baby into the cot side is bad? No learning disabilities have been mentioned. He does look like a junkie and probably had a shit upbringing but so did lots of others who don't do this.

novanova5 · 25/07/2025 00:03

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SummerEve · 25/07/2025 00:02

bluewanda · 25/07/2025 00:01

Context is often another word for excuse. Child killers don’t deserve that. There is no excuse.

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And nobody has suggested otherwise

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bluewanda · 25/07/2025 00:01

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:59

Wider context is always important. Nothing happens in isolation.

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Context is often another word for excuse. Child killers don’t deserve that. There is no excuse.

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38woman · 25/07/2025 00:01

UnderCoverB0ss · 24/07/2025 22:59

Legalising murder makes us as bad as them.

I'm sorry I just can't agree that legalising capital punishment makes us as bad as this sicko. He beat his baby to death then went out for a cig while doctors tried to save the baby boy's life.

SummerEve · 25/07/2025 00:01

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:59

@SummerEve Oh my, you truly believe you are unique, don't you.

We all are, it’s nothing special

novanova5 · 25/07/2025 00:00

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SummerEve · 25/07/2025 00:00

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:59

Semantics. An eye for an eye is what is needed in that case.

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You cannot apply that (misquoted) logic selectively though

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:59

Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:58

@SummerEve sometimes wider context is not important. It's individual cases and people that count. I think it was Colin Pitchfork who raped and killed and then was freed. He shouldn't have been. It's much better for society to be rid of him. I care no more about rehabilitating him, than he does about the safety of women and girls.

Who doesn't already know that kidnapping young girls, raping them and killing them is bad and you shouldn't do it? "Oh sorry guvnor, I didn't realise". Rehabilitation my arse.

Wider context is always important. Nothing happens in isolation.

novanova5 · 24/07/2025 23:59

@SummerEve Oh my, you truly believe you are unique, don't you.

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:59

SummerEve · 24/07/2025 23:56

Kindly, you don’t seem to understand what justice means. I have already acknowledged that not everyone can be rehabilitated several posts ago.

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Semantics. An eye for an eye is what is needed in that case.

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Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:58

@SummerEve sometimes wider context is not important. It's individual cases and people that count. I think it was Colin Pitchfork who raped and killed and then was freed. He shouldn't have been. It's much better for society to be rid of him. I care no more about rehabilitating him, than he does about the safety of women and girls.

Who doesn't already know that kidnapping young girls, raping them and killing them is bad and you shouldn't do it? "Oh sorry guvnor, I didn't realise". Rehabilitation my arse.

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bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:57

Robin67 · 24/07/2025 23:45

So does killing them to be fair. It has the ultimate low risk of reoffending rate.

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Quite.

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