This is why we should bring back the death penalty

I'm not sure it's even worth trying to reason with you since you only seem interested in making deliberately inflammatory statements instead of a sensible discussion.

This is the whole point of the type of "political" discussion that is now prevalent on Twitter and increasingly on sites like this.

Just hammer home the same simplistic talking points, assume bad faith in anyone who disagrees, never actually engage in a reasoned argument.

The ultimate aim is to deny the possibility that things might actually be complex and trade-offs exist. That way you can whip up anger at politicians who never adopt the incredibly easy solutions that obviously exist but which they don't adopt for some nefarious purpose.

As Trump is finding out with the Epstein case the only snags come when you actually get into power

So you now want to kill people for careless driving, failing to pay for their TV licences, and countless other minor offences? Where on earth do you think we are going to find the hundreds of executioners that that would require? Indeed, where do you imagine we are going to find juries willing to convict people of crimes if that is the consequence? Far from eliminating crime, you would actually make it far more difficult to secure criminal convictions and have many more unconvicted criminals going free.

You again. All assertions, no argument. A year 7 child of moderate talent would be embarrassed to spout such shite.

So you'd be absolutely fine about people like Peter Sullivan, Oliver Campbell, Stefan Kiszko, Angela Cannings and Sally Clark being executed despite being innocent? How does that make you any more human or moral than the murderers you condemn?

Yes but you've already established that you're also totally cool with killing innocent people as collateral damage since you see no merit in the appeals process. Which to my mind is ethically no better than being a murderer of any other innocent person. What about their families/children? Why do they matter less than the original victims and their family?

I'm not sure it's even worth trying to reason with you since you only seem interested in making deliberately inflammatory statements instead of a sensible discussion.

You still haven't actually made any mention of the traumatic impact this will have on the actual people you're expecting to do your dirty work either. Many former executioners are now long term disabled such as been the level of trauma they've experienced. Some have taken their own lives. That all OK with you as well? The impact on their family and loved ones not matter?

I wouldn't even have "death row". They'd be executed immediately after conviction, they wouldn't return to prison.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/hidden-casualties-executions-harm-mental-health-of-prison-staff

And what do you think the impact of that would be on you - in real terms? On your family and your loved ones?

How do you think it would impact on the other people involved in that process?

The families of the offender? Their children who are completely innocent?

What about the people who you kill that you later learn were actually wrongfully convicted - you still cool with being the one to have taken their life?

You're totally fine with expecting someone else to do that job and risk higher levels of PTSD, suicidal ideation etc and both direct and vicarious trauma?

How do you think it would affect the prison officers who need to manage someone on death row with all the behaviour difficulties that generates? Or do you just expect them to suck it up and get on with it? Do they matter?

I'll do it.

And out of curiosity, who are you expecting to kill these people? Are you volunteering your services? How do you think that would impact on your mental wellbeing and resilience watching these people die?

I'd argue that if you'd sleep soundly after then you're displaying sociopathic/psychopathic traits and we should watch you.

Prison is more about protecting the public sometimes than extracting revenge by the act of taking someone off the streets and into a secure facility. There's a difference between justice and revenge which is why family of victims don't pick the sentence. Some people will not have the capability/ability to make choices that are safe for people around them and for those people, nothing will be an adequate deterrent. Including death. Which is why we lock them away. I agree certain crimes should mean life for the rest of the person's life though.

I think most of us feel very glad you are not in charge of the justice system if you see appeals as pointless...

You're now saying it should be brought back for all crimes? Even if you did that, all criminals would not be dead, only the ones stupid or unlucky enough to get caught or poor enough not to be able to have competent legal help. So you'd be giving wealthy, clever and lucky criminals a benefit. In effect it amounts to killing people for being poor, stupid or having bad luck.
There is no logic, simple or otherwise, in what you suggest.

Its tragically simplistic to not be able to realise that if innocent people can be put to death by mistake, you could be one of them.

Your logic is not so much simple as comically simplistic.

At the end of the day the logic is quite simple. All crimes are committed by living people. A dead criminal can commit no further crimes. If all criminals were dead there would be no crime. Therefore the death sentence should be brought back.

Well it bloody should be.

You almost got me with that one. Then I realized he couldn't possibly have been serious. 😄

The point of prison is not supposed to be suffering, it is to confine those who are incorrigible to keep others safe from them and to rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated.

The report refers to a man on remand with access to a mobile phone. The fact that he was on remand means that the issue of deterrence is, again, of limited relevance. He was convicted of assault and does not appear to have been given a life sentence.

Obviously prison isn't a great deterrent, given the incidence of recidivism. That doesn't constitute any sort of argument for capital punishment.

a prisoner is allowed a tv….. why not?

the phone/cannabis ingress is a continual problem ALL PRISONS face.

it’s not a luxury provided to him

The relevance is that prison doesn’t work as a deterrent either. Are you naive enough to think this doesn’t go on in the prisons where you live.
Life doesn’t mean life in the U.K. this scumbag gets 12 years, do you tho k the U.K. would give him longer?

What's the relevance of that? He wasn't in the UK.