This is why we should bring back the death penalty

I think more whole life sentences should be given and some people should never be released from prison but I will never be convinced that the death penalty is right.

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Interesting that nobody verifies the cross dressing, it’s not mentioned on the guardian and yet the Daily Heil puts it in the headline. Almost as if they’ll twist even the most horrific of stories to be divisive about trans issues

Have you read some of the comments giving excellent arguments against the death penalty? Of course this is a horrendous case and it's natural that our first instinct is anger and maybe to want violence inflicted on the perpetrator. Thank goodness we are a civilized society and understand that it's not a good way to behave.

For every cast-iron 100% clear cut case, there will be other cases that are borderline and lead to a miscarriage of justice. While there is that slimmest of risk, in our society in this day and age, the death penalty will not be brought back.

Re: Also someone had to be the executioner. I don’t think we should be in the business of either putting someone in that position or encouraging anyone who is happy to do it.

there will be people like the OP who are willing to participate in ending the life of someone who commits a heinous enough crime to warrant the death penalty. Nowadays it would most likely be 10 people pushing a randomised button that administers a lethal dose to end the criminal's life that nobody ever gets to know whose button actually did the deed. Rather than an Albert Pierrepoint-like character.

The death penalty would not have prevented the death of this baby. It can’t cure mental illness and addiction, which seemed to be the underlying issue here. This revolting man had a long history of abuse and coercive control and why wasn’t more effort taken to get the woman away. Killing the man after all this is not going to deter anyone from doing similar.

As the baby was to be put in care, why were they allowed to access him? How did these injuries occur when presumably staff were supposed to supervise?

Actually one of the first posters doubted the truth of the article, or the publisher more specifically. And why this one? Well no matter which article was chosen, you'd be asking the same. However this is one of the most depraved crimes and specifically one that OP feels makes a case for the death penalty.

The case of Sally Clark is always worth remembering on these types of threads.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/mar/17/childrensservices.uknews

And, before anyone jumps on me, I'm not suggesting this man is anything but guilty, but that Sally Clark's case is a clear reason the death penalty should not be reinstated.

I think this did happen with the Yorkshire Ripper. He was attacked in prison (or waa it while he was still in Broadmoor) and lost the sight in an eye.

He died (though not from the attack) during the Covid pandemic from Covid and diabetes and is no sad loss.

I agree. Words just fail me. That man is evil and an absolute stain on society.

I wouldn’t describe the brutal murder of a premie baby as “complex”. This tiny baby was covered in bruises all over his tiny body and had blunt force trauma to his head. He was murdered.

It's an utterly horrific story. Really appalling.

How was this lowlife ever allowed near to the poor baby?

However, I would still never reinstate the death penalty even though I can fully understand the sentiments behind the suggestion. Miscarriages of justice do happen and the danger of the state sponsored murder of innocent people is just too great. That will never change and it will not be possible to set up sufficient safeguards to eliminate the possibility. Therefore it must remain off the table.

This scumbag should be imprisoned with a whole of life tariff, no possibility of parole and no leave to appeal (as there seems no doubt at all over his guilt here). That is a sanction available in this country and in such cases the judiciary should be willing to use it.

It's not that I think scumbag deserves to live, he doesn't and I certainly would shed no tears over him if he died. I do think that he deserves to suffer every single day for the rest of his useless, shitty life. That can be achieved in prison if the correct tariff is imposed.

That's absolute nonsense - what you think the result would be is irrelevant and you just plucked those figures out of thin air. An actual poll shows you're wrong.

Send him to prison, he'll get hell. He has committed the worst crime possible and he will pay for this in prison, I'm sure the guards will turn a blind eye to the 'accidents' that will occur, other prisoners will make his life hell

I'm hoping the other prisoners read these articles and true justice is served in prison, causing him ongoing very painful suffering.

No pain is too much for the scumbag,
Perhaps someone inside will spare us the cost of keeping this turd alive.

But not before he's been thoroughly tortured.

Yeah I always find someone brutally murdering a premature baby a bit of a grey issue.

"State and regional murder statistics show no correlation between use of the death penalty and reduced crime. The murder rate in non-death penalty states has remained consistently lower than the rate in states with the death penalty, and the gap has grown since 1990."
Source: deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states

I think if there was an actual vote, the margin would be far wider than that. At least 66% in favour and maybe 75%.

Well your confidence in a big win would be misplaced. The most recent poll by The Justice Gap, from January this year, showed that 54% of Britons would like to see the death penalty reinstated for certain crimes. Hardly a resounding victory.

No. The attacker performed an action that would (or should in their head) have ended in their death but not have led to the death of the victim. And the murderer survived but the victim didnt.

What about Lucy Letby? If we had Capital Punishment she could be dead by now for the murder of seven babies and attempted murder of a further seven, yet the safety of her convictions is now being questioned. We may not know for years whether the verdicts are correct or if there has been a terrible miscarriage of justice, but if it's the latter, at least she will be alive to be released and compensated. How would we, as a society, feel if her convictions are quashed at some point in the future, but she has already been murdered by the state? How could we reconcile that with our collective conscience?
I totally understand your visceral reaction OP, I really do - I saw the news report on the BBC earlier and then read the report on their website - and felt such anger, distress and sheer hatred towards Gunther that I imagined what I would like to do to him (which I can't tell you because MN would probably delete my post!). He's utterly worthless trash and adds nothing to the world by drawing breath. Nevertheless, I don't want to live in a country that just seeks vengeance on even the most heinous of criminals - I don't think that's a healthy basis for our justice system - particularly when we know miscarriages of justice do occur here.
I also believe that the death penalty would be the easy way out for repugnant brutes like Gunther. Category A prisons are truly terrifying places to be and this pathetic coward will meet many men inside who are considerably harder than him who will find ways of making him pay for what he did - for years. (No quick, easy and relatively painless escape for him.) And when he's helpless and repeatedly suffered at the hands of fellow inmates, he might finally understand what he put poor, innocent baby Brendon through.
The death penalty shouldn't be reinstated - it doesn't represent who we are.

What?! And its irrational, unfounded comments like this which worries me about our juries making such huge impactful decisions

A civilised state should not murder it’s own - that makes us as bad as them

a whole life sentence where there is lifelong incarceration, loneliness, loss of liberty and hopefully penance and remorse is the way to go - with a possibility of narrowing the opportunities for miscarriages of justice

@PyongyangKipperbang do you mean the perpetrator tried to kill himself but it accidentally spread? Perhaps I'm too tired to process and should sleep :)

I’ve come to realise that there are many awful people in the world who harm others with impunity until one day they finally do something horrific and everyone is shocked. I’m not sure that we need the desth penalty but really hard cracking down on early criminality. Of course there’s no prison spaces or purposeful rehabilitation so perhaps it wouldn’t help.

Can't believe people are still posting this boring, pointless cliché.