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GreenGully · 25/07/2025 13:43

ClosetBasketCase · 25/07/2025 13:30

While the story is horrific, You- OP seem increadibly sensitive. For something like that, and through a newspaper article no less - to "stay with you for years" says that maybe you sould seek some councelling for yourself.

A state sanctioned death penalty would be a massive step back in rights, and the possibility of misscaridges of justice is way too high.

he death penalty would only be for the satifiaction of others, as the victim won't know anything about it.

As horrific as it it, the dead are dead - and killing someone else of a premise of it being justice - doesn not make it better, in fact it lowers others to the same level as the criminal

Are the family of the victim not also victims? If someone murdered my loved one I'd want them dead.

Suusue · 25/07/2025 13:42

I would bring the death penalty back for all murders in this category and for all child murderers.

ClosetBasketCase · 25/07/2025 13:37

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2025 13:33

It doesn't lower us to the same level of the criminal at all. Any more than locking someone in prison lowers us to the same level as someone who illegally imprisons someone.

So you would presumably bring back the death penalty also?
An Eye for an Eye and all that?
The entire premise is machiavellian, and medieval.

there are other ways of meting out punishment that odern day people will find far more of a punishment that being killed,

take away their devices, freedom and ability to make choices.

Putting poeple to death makes us no better than killers ourselves

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2025 13:33

ClosetBasketCase · 25/07/2025 13:30

While the story is horrific, You- OP seem increadibly sensitive. For something like that, and through a newspaper article no less - to "stay with you for years" says that maybe you sould seek some councelling for yourself.

A state sanctioned death penalty would be a massive step back in rights, and the possibility of misscaridges of justice is way too high.

he death penalty would only be for the satifiaction of others, as the victim won't know anything about it.

As horrific as it it, the dead are dead - and killing someone else of a premise of it being justice - doesn not make it better, in fact it lowers others to the same level as the criminal

It doesn't lower us to the same level of the criminal at all. Any more than locking someone in prison lowers us to the same level as someone who illegally imprisons someone.

ClosetBasketCase · 25/07/2025 13:30

bluewanda · 24/07/2025 23:16

I look at that child’s innocent face and I see my own DC at that age. It’s horrific.

While the story is horrific, You- OP seem increadibly sensitive. For something like that, and through a newspaper article no less - to "stay with you for years" says that maybe you sould seek some councelling for yourself.

A state sanctioned death penalty would be a massive step back in rights, and the possibility of misscaridges of justice is way too high.

he death penalty would only be for the satifiaction of others, as the victim won't know anything about it.

As horrific as it it, the dead are dead - and killing someone else of a premise of it being justice - doesn not make it better, in fact it lowers others to the same level as the criminal

Zanoni · 25/07/2025 13:28

Allisnotlost1 · 25/07/2025 12:06

I don’t know much about prisons and how they are run but I do remember reading that we don’t have a lot of prisoners with whole life sentences, Rose West is one and apparently she has changed her name, carpeted her cell and spends her days reading and watching nature documentaries. I think if true it’s pretty shocking considering her crimes that she is living with any sort of comfort.

We don’t have a lot of prisoners serving whole life sentences because, thankfully, we don’t have many of the most appalling crimes that attract them.

And I don’t know how you choose to live, but a carpeted cupboard with an uncovered toilet in the corner and a nature documentary on a tiny telly isn’t what I call comfort.

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@Allisnotlost1
A tiny carpeted cell with entertainment, warmth, three meals a day.. Rose West is living a better retirement than a lot of people can afford to in this country. She is an abhorrent individual who deserves no sympathy. She’s changed her name to apparently give her a clean slate when her miserable life ends. I was surprised to read she was even allowed to do that, doesn’t sound to me that she has processed how wicked her actions were if she thinks she deserves a shot at heaven.

CurlewKate · 25/07/2025 13:21

naturalcrackle111 · 25/07/2025 12:49

Well that’s a big fat lie. I know quite a few people right now in prison with phones and PlayStations. Dd speaks to her best friend everyday on Snapchat. Bless you thinking prison is hard and prisoners don’t have nothing.

What lovely friends you have,Grandma!

Tia247 · 25/07/2025 13:05

If it was cheaper, or easier or worked as a deterrent I'd be with you OP. I lose my need for morals when it comes to people who have none. Unfortunately it's not cheaper or easier, the appeals run on for years and years, and it clearly doesn't work as a deterrent in the US.

What we need to be doing is putting a lot more money into schools, children's social services, parenting classes and support, children's mental health services, paediatricians, fostering, teen drug and alcohol services, university pastoral care - and basically anything and everything that can help to ensure children have a happy, healthy, successful childhood and young adulthood. Happy childhoods lead to happy adulthoods.

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:55

randomchap · 25/07/2025 12:42

And for those wrongly convicted? Just accept that innocent people may be put to death?

I think the death penalty should only be used in cases where there is no doubt and the crime is particularly heinous. Think Axel Radukabana or the Lee Rigby killer.

ConcernedOfClapham · 25/07/2025 12:52

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/07/2025 22:49

YABU to use anything you read in the Daily Heil as the basis for forming a black and white opinion about a really complex issue.

First Post Nails It klaxon!

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naturalcrackle111 · 25/07/2025 12:51

I agree op. With cases like this where’s it’s there in black and white they should go from the courtroom to the gallows.

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:51

TheSeventh · 25/07/2025 12:40

So you're not even going to pretend it is a deterrent? You just want to kill people.

Some people need killing.

naturalcrackle111 · 25/07/2025 12:49

Allisnotlost1 · 25/07/2025 08:54

About 4 death row prisoners are exonerated every year in the US. There are obviously many more where there are doubts over the conviction, but they are executed before exoneration.

There are no computers in prisons in the UK, and your idea of a warm and cosy place where there are games and fun is frankly bizarre.

Well that’s a big fat lie. I know quite a few people right now in prison with phones and PlayStations. Dd speaks to her best friend everyday on Snapchat. Bless you thinking prison is hard and prisoners don’t have nothing.

Gowlett · 25/07/2025 12:43

I don’t think anyone would miss this guy…

randomchap · 25/07/2025 12:42

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:33

That's the point.

And for those wrongly convicted? Just accept that innocent people may be put to death?

Eskarina1 · 25/07/2025 12:41

It's disturbed not to want innocent people killed?

We covered Derek Bentley (a young man with severe learning difficulties who's execution contributed to the abolition of the death penalty) in English A Level. The way his statement was 'cleaned' to sound like an articulate adult.

If I'm disturbed for wanting no more Derek Bentleys or Jean Charles de Menezes, I'm OK with that. Human life doesn't stop being of value when someone turns 18.

TheSeventh · 25/07/2025 12:40

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:32

The death penalty isn't about combating violence. It is about the ultimate punishment.

So you're not even going to pretend it is a deterrent? You just want to kill people.

Thelnebriati · 25/07/2025 12:36

The problem with this case was that he couldn't be refused access to the baby because he had parental rights, despite the fact he was a known risk.

I might feel more sympathetic about the death penalty if it actually reduced the rate of murders, but it doesn't. And the baby would still be dead. IMO its better to prevent harm in the first place.

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:33

randomchap · 25/07/2025 12:23

Locking people up is not permanent. Death is

That's the point.

GreenGully · 25/07/2025 12:32

TheSeventh · 25/07/2025 12:18

Because you don't combat violence by normalising it.

The death penalty isn't about combating violence. It is about the ultimate punishment.

Cherry8809 · 25/07/2025 12:31

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2025 12:29

Japan has the death penalty. Are they not a modern civilised society?

They’re all of the above, with outdated, archaic practices that need reform.

ilovesooty · 25/07/2025 12:31

Absolutely45 · 25/07/2025 10:16

There are sentencing guidelines now for murder cases, we already have 3 outcomes - we have Not Guilty, Guilty and Guilty with a whole life order.

It would be the latter who could be considered for execution.

I do not see how anyone can justify Huntley or Bellfield being kept alive.

Huntley I think doesn't have a whole life order
Bellfield has two

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2025 12:29

Japan has the death penalty. Are they not a modern civilised society?

Cherry8809 · 25/07/2025 12:26

WhereIsMyJumper · 24/07/2025 23:26

News stories like these whip up an incredible amount of emotion, of course everyone is horrified by the murderers actions and we can feel deeply disturbed and angry and upset for a long time afterwards. This is why I try and avoid this type of news story myself.

But, here is the thing, we cannot change laws in this country - especially ones as serious as reinstating the death penalty - on emotion. They have to be based on rational, logical thinking. With the emotion taken out.

This.

Thank goodness we don’t have emotionally charged people dictating and deciding the law.

There is no place for the death penalty in a modern, civilised society.

randomchap · 25/07/2025 12:23

OonaStubbs · 25/07/2025 12:22

Maybe we shouldn't lock people up either, because that just normalises people locking each other up?

Locking people up is not permanent. Death is