This is why we should bring back the death penalty

This isn’t a dig at people against the death penalty but what punishment does fit this individual crime? What would be fair? What would even up the scales of justice so to speak? What punishment fits what that child had to go through? I can’t think of one except death. Feeding it, keeping it in reasonable humane living conditions, access to water etc, is that punishment? The only punishment really is lack of liberty, but that person didn’t use his ‘liberty’ in the way a normal person would, he didn’t value his liberty. So, the pain that he inflicted on that child, goes unpunished. You cannot compare killing someone like him with the death penalty to the killing that he inflicted on that baby. It’s not the same, in any way, it wouldn’t make us ‘as bad as him’. It’s not even remotely the same thing. I am against the death penalty simply because of the possibility of a miscarriage of justice. If it was used for killers such as Ian Huntley, who killed those girls by his own admission, then I’m all for it. But that would be impossible to decide.

How would people know about suppressed evidence? It's been suppressed, the courts don't know about it

Take them ‘out the back’ of where?

who is shooting them? Where’s the firearm coming from?

I already answered that in my comment. No doubt.

How would that work if evidence has been suppressed? For the types of cases where the death penalty would be applied suppression of evidence could be refused.

Tie a noose round their neck at the moment the verdict is read. When the foreman of the juror says guilty, a trap door opens and they are hung on the spot. It would save so much time and money.

If her friend has Snapchat have you reported this to the prison?

Just take them.out the back and shoot them between the eyes.
I resent my taxes going towards these scumheads alive.
Money could be much better spent.

Absolute drain on society and don't contribute anything good.
Problem never goes away either while you keep them alive.
The next problem is when to release them, what if they do it again etc etc. How long is long enough.
By taking them out there is none of this to worry about.

If killing people is wrong, then the state shouldn't do it.

If the state does it, then we're saying that killing people isn't always wrong. It depends.

And that opens up a philosophical and practical set of questions that can't be answered by introducing a law.

If you did cut people hands off for stealing, there would be a lot less theft around.
Another thing that's out of control.
People don't even go to.prison for stealing now.

What he did was awful but the state must never ever again be given the go ahead to kill its citizens based on their membership of a certain category of person (or any other reason for that matter). If those categories are murderers, paedophiles etc you may argue why not? But all it takes is a future rogue government to expand who qualifies and many of us would be in a lot of bother, especially if our human rights are whittled away as so many, bizarrely seem to support. Disability benefits/pensions/unemployment benefits getting a bit costly? There's a solution to that. By that stage the majority of the population would be desensitised to it and too apathetic or scared to do anything. It sounds dramatic and ridiculous but it's not and it could happen. We need to stop it before it starts.

So we're going to have two classes of murder conviction - one where we're "nearly sure" someone is guilty and another one where we're "really sure"?

Can't seen any problems arising from that.....

Some good, practical, suggestions here. Are you thinking of any? Any plans to actually do anything other start inflammatory posts on MN?

This is the one of worst cases of child abuse I’ve ever come across

So how would that work in practice? Ask the jury to return one of 3 verdicts?

Not guilty
Guilty beyond reasonable doubt
Guilty no doubt

Or would you want a judge/panel of judges look at the evidence once a guilty has been delivered?

How would that work if evidence has been suppressed?

Balanced and nails it.

I've covered that. I believe the death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is no doubt. Such as the Southport killer Axel or the Lee Rigby murderer, or the sicko who killed a woman through oral rape.

Have you read any of the discussions about it on here? The moral objection that if killing someone is wrong then it's wrong no matter who does it

The awful cases of miscarriage of justice?

Are you happy with the possibility of innocents being hanged?

We have to stop.broken, shitty horrible drug addicted people having babies.
Alot of the time I notice drugs are involved.
There was another one the other day a cocaine addicted woman shook her baby to death.

It's just disgusting,nobody has to get pregnant and nobody has to take drugs.
It's a weakness taking drugs and it's never ends well.
Also because anything goes today and there are no moral standards or shame anymore, people are just shagging around and having babies all the time.

We may have thought that women having to hide their pregnancy's years ago if they were single is old fashioned but honestly look what's happened now.
We are now seeing multiple child and baby deaths, people are shagging around having babies in unstable relationships, sometimes not in a relationship at all. Taking drugs, moving unsuitable and nasty bits of work into their homes around their children.
There are very rarely any deaths in a family where mum and dad are stable and happily married to each other.

It's only going to get worse.
We need radical changes and intervention to change things. It should never have been allowed to get so out of control.

We think it's horrendous that women were stigmatized years ago and didn't keep their babies but now look at it.
There's no shame today and look at the way it's gone. Sad.

Of course Capital Punishment should be reinstated. Yesterday.

Things have moved on since the 50s. We've got rid of the death penalty.

Hopefully things have moved on a bit since the 1950's though! and the real murderer was found after 3 years later at which point appeals would still be going on if the death penalty was brought back now. So he would never have gone through the death penalty today.

Not that I'm saying we should bring back the death penalty, as i said there are other reasons why i think it shouldn't be brought back .There are plenty of cases where there is no doubt who the killer is though - I was just watching The Crossbow Cannibal last night. I wouldn't be crying if he faced the death penalty.

Miscarriage of justice is a thing. Innocent people have been hanged in the past. Do you think it's acceptable for it to happen again?

Indeed. It's also why our legal system should include the death penalty.

Timothy Evans. Hanged for the murder of his child. Except he didn't do it. Went to the gallows knowing the actual murderer was free.

Do you think that was justice? Acceptable collateral damage?

And that's why we have a legal system and don't let people get their own revenge.