This is why we should bring back the death penalty

I'm still not convinced. If nothing else, if someone is executed they won't be able to reoffend.

And basic understanding of human nature means that punishments often work. If I knew I would be beaten (corporal punishment) for jaywalking or something then I certainly wouldn't do it.

The threat of punishment doesn't work for crimes of passion or insanity or sheer desperation, but otherwise it certainly plays a role.

If there were no punishments for anything at all, crime would certainly increase. If people knew they would only get a day in prison for stealing a million pounds, I think a lot of people would try it. If people knew there would be zero consequences for rape, rates would increase.

So yeah, countries like Singapore manage to ensure low crime rates through the use of very harsh punishments (alongside high gdp, relatively low inequality, a strong focus on education etc).

A debate can certainly be had on the morality of it and there other factors at play as well, but I do think punishment is effective.

@naturalcrackle111 the “they are unwell” insult is both pathetic and really nasty. I will report your post but if you’re wondering why it was reported, that’s why.

I never said there was.

There’s no “did you do it” though. There doesn’t even need to be a jury to decide if they are guilty or not. Because they are 100%.

You've lost me a this point. I pointed out you were mocking someone's spelling when it was a clear typo.

You said something along the lines of 'see people make mistakes'

I have asked 'AND?' As in what is your point and how is it relevant to compare a typo to a murderer being convicted or not.

Because the law is about more than “did you do it”

Justice has to be applied properly, rules have to be followed, a trial has to be fair, mental capacity needs to be taken into account . People who obviously did something have been freed because of a technicality of the law, paperwork not being filed, juries not being selected fairly etc. It’s not good that they are freed, but keeping the justice system free of error is incredibly important for us all. If you want the law to be applied fairly to you, you have to be prepared for it to be applied fairly to people who have done despicable things.

Very true!

but you’ll get the usual mumsnetters saying they will do it etc etc.

Don't be ridiculous.

There isn’t a link between strength of evidence and how serious a crime is as far as I know. This is a completely made up assertion.

Be that as it may, and like it or not, we aren’t about to see the whole conceptual framework of conviction and sentencing changed to accommodate this new category of ‘definitely guilty’. A category that would make a mockery of the justice system and is virtually impossible to outline.

If the death penalty returns, it is a possibly for all those found guilty of a crime that is in scope. Anyone in favour of it needs to be on board with the idea that it is an absolute inevitability that innocent people would die.

You're being utterly absurd.

There’s also the question of executioners. Do we really want to pay people to kill in our name?

Oh dear, you are annoyed with yourself

No. That is not what I was suggesting. I was suggesting that anybody who reads the Daily Mail is unlikely to be reasonable enough to consider the complexities of capital punishment. It's not my fault if you've chosen to misunderstand me.

Er, what? Are you seriously comparing a wrongful conviction to a typo??

Because if officers don’t act fast to de-escalate then some other person will get hurt as well…. End up losing the wing that way.

It costs considerably more to put someone to death than it does to keep them in prison for life.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/

And?

No, it does show how humans make mistakes though…

The statistics prove otherwise. States that have the death penalty have higher murder rates. Of the ten countries with the lowest murder rate, only 2 have the death penalty. Of the ten countries with the highest murder rate, only 2 have the death penalty, including Jamaica which has the highest murder rate in the world.

Captial Punishment has been proven over and over again not to be a deterrent.

I think the death penalty for very extreme cases of mass murder, murder of babies and young children including through starving them and terrorist who bomb innocent victims is not unreasonable. The tax payer should not to have to pay to support these people and they are often very difficult prisoners. Prisons are full and dangerous prisoners often get released early only to reoffend.

The prison system is in crisis and needs substantial reform - but cutting people's hands off is not a kind of 'reform' most civilised people would condone.

Sadly, retribution in prison is a myth, An actual prison officer is more likely to be hurt standing between him potential violent criminals.

Quite unbelievably staff do put their life on the line to protect these idiots. I don’t know why.

I'd suggest in this case this man was just 100% evil. There's no redemption for someone who commits this kind of barbaric act.
I guess he has got a few years to deflect on his crime whilst trying to avoid his fellow inmates.