This is why we should bring back the death penalty

There is certainly a debate to be had there, as I said in previous posts. I've also already said I'm not in favour of the death penalty because of the risk of innocent people being wrongly convicted.

What I've disagreed with a PP about is whether punishment ever acts as a deterrent. They said it didn't. I said I think if all punishments were abolished, crime rates would skyrocket. Equally, if running a red light carried the death penalty I think suddenly everyone would be driving much more carefully. Punishment is an important tool to use when trying to ensure a safe society.

It is upsetting. But you feeling upset isn't a valid reason to radically change the law and give the state the power to murder people.

the prison service has no money for DP conditions….none

No I dont

as someone upthread pointed out they need to spend 5 years minimum in death row before it gets looked at. Assuming that would be the case here

have you any idea what a prisoner will be like facing the Dp? How difficult they would be in our U.K. prisons as they stand now. To manage on a day to day basis? The absolute drain on resources they would be when faced with the Dp? Do you know how much it would cost? Do you know how dangerous they would become?

Would you feel safe living under a repressive government that doesn't respect your rights?

‘Most take their own lives before trial’

no they don’t

I'm just wondering who here thinks Baby P's murderers (who I understand are out of jail already!!) should have received the death penalty?

Or James Bulger's killers, who offended repeatedly and will be paid to be protected for life, a cost to us all?

Be honest in your answer.

Safe for the people living there. Obviously.

Because where is the cut off line….

In cases where they are caught red handed, I’m thinking Wolfgang Priklopil, Myra Hindley, Rose West, Fred West. I believe in the death penalty,
after anything useful has been harvested.
Most take their own lives before trial or would do so if they weren’t afraid.

Why would you want to keep them around?

uk is definitely not civilised. Turn the tv on

I haven’t even bothered reading your thread OP. No civilised society should ever have the death penalty, no matter how heinous the crime. Let’s face it, life without parole is basically the death penalty anyway 🤷‍♀️ To me, it doesn’t matter if they only execute one wrongly convicted person every 100 years, that’s one too many. A posthumous pardon means bugger all.

Safe from whom?

You can use statistics to support almost any point you'd like to make. That's not to say we should dismiss statistics and actual facts, but we should look deeper into where the numbers are coming from without accepting everything at face value. A sample size of 10 (in your previous example) means nothing statistically.

We should also use common sense and the evidence of our own eyes. I've asked you before - why is Singapore so safe? If you can provide an alternative explanation, I'm open to it.

I am firmly against the DP but this case really made me waiver on the topic.

At no point has anyone on the thread, including me, said prison is a deterrent. People have different definitions of hard of course, but living in prison is certainly harder than being dead.

If you can tell me how the death penalty wound help pensioners have a better life, I’m all ears.

I have no idea whether or why West has or hasn’t changed her name, but I know for sure none of us are going to a magical place in the sky so I really don’t care either way.

I don’t want to live in a country that justifies killing people, because then we’re the same as the people who justify killing people.

Not a flex just stating facts. And it doesn’t matter what you consider comfort. The bottom line of it is that people think prison is hard and a deterrent when in fact it not.

A cat A prison wont be luxurious but it is a whole lot better than their dead victims have or the pain the families go through long after their release.

Many prisoners will have access to phones even in their cells, because its thought that contact with family etc cuts reoffending, which if true should be encouraged.

I mean, all the objective evidence shows that the severity of a punishment is not a deterrent for violent crime, but if you’re ’not convinced’ then let’s ignore all of that.

It quite literally is.

Cut and dried - goes to the question of how strong the evidence is.

Heinous - goes to the question of severity.

’usually the most’ - creates a connection between the two concepts.

Odd flex but ok. I’m well aware of what people have in prison, I just don’t consider any of it a comfort or luxury unlike some on the thread.

Mobile phones are illegal in prison and your DD is also breaking the law by communicating with someone using a mobile phone in prison.

Absolutely not.

Yes I did.

That isn't the same as suggesting there is 'a link between strength of evidence and how serious a crime is.'

You responded to say that cut and dried cases are ‘usually the most heinous’.

What am I missing?