This is why we should bring back the death penalty

Been thinking about this and you have no experience at all apart from "follow[ing] true crime and the DP in America" and yet you have the temerity to tell me, who has guided her own child through the horrific murder of their best friend, that you know better?! The victims father and I are in touch with each other, my child is in touch regularly with the victims mother.

I am genuinely not sure whether to laugh at your arrogance or cry at your insinuations that I know less that you because of what you saw on the telly.

The victim I have referenced has a memorial at the National Arobretum. I am very VERY pissed off at you suggesting I dont know what I am talking about.

I’m not twisting anything.

I understand perfectly well what you’ve written, but it seems you don’t or perhaps you just won’t admit you’ve made a mistake.

Heinous means particularly dreadful or wrong. I.e. describing a crime as heinous is quite literally commenting on its severity. You have linked this to the likelihood of a crime being ‘cut and dried’.

So, how am I twisting what you’ve said?

There was a case about twenty years ago when a child was murdered and the usual papers started calling for the return of the death penalty and saying 'the victim's family would want it - why aren't we listening to them? Does no one care what they want?'

And the victim's family issued a statement saying that they didn't want another life to be taken and, in accordance with their faith, they felt that they had to try to forgive.

At which point the usual papers started saying that they were deranged by grief and no one should listen to them.

And I’ve heard and read that it doesn’t always provide closure. Common sense alone ought to suggest it’s highly improbable all victims’ families feel the same.

I’d rather see some kind of system whereby prisoners are actually useful to society. But we know from the US that is a slippy slope - as they make a lot of money out of the free labour and so don’t release people when they should be released.

And not one person here has answered why the ones caught red handed can’t be executed.

Because killing people is wrong.

What he said in his book was that he didn't believe that the threat of the death penalty had deterred a single murderer.

Killing people to save other peoples lives at the time of the offense is very different to killing as punishment or revenge after a trial.

One is to save lives, the other is revenge

Only one will save lives

Wanting bad people to die is not even remotely similar to wanting innocent people to die.

Me too.

It is, of course. But we agree it is ok to kill criminals in certain circumstances, I just happen to disagree with you on what circumstances they may be.

I think people like Axel should be put down.

Killing a terrorist who is in the middle of carrying out their crime, while the public are in immediate danger is very different to the death penalty. As well you know

No the death penalty should not be introduced.

And you are every bit as bad as him for salivating at the idea of the state murdering someone.

You both want death albeit in different ways. You are cut from the same cloth, you are just trying to cloak your bloodthirstiness in self righteousness.

No. I'm just pointing out if we can justify killing people during the act of a crime what is so different to killing them after the crime....

Take Axel for example he is continuing to attack prison guards. Is putting him down not acting in defence of people?

I’m against assisted dying as well.

And innocent people like de Menezes.

ALSO, if people knew they may face the death sentence for murder, and other really heinous crimes, it MAY be a deterrent. What's the motivation for them to not commit these crimes if they know they will live their life out in a cushy prison? except it is not a deterrent. Go and look at countries who use the death penalty - there are no less murders there than there are over here. In fact in the US the murder rate is significantly higher. So that’s that argument out the window.

And by other countries, I’m talking about civilised countries such as the US, not backward countries like Saudi where the death penalty is just another step in their lack of any human rights.

Also, statistically a jury is less likely to convict someone of a crime if the sentence is likely to be the death penalty.

For the people slavering over the idea of putting people to death and asking why we shouldn’t kill other people, the reason is very simple. If it’s wrong to kill someone, then it’s wrong regardless of the reasons why you do it.

If you’re advocating for the death penalty, then you’re essentially saying that you’re advocating for murder to be legal. Because only a certain kind of person is able to kill another one in cold blood.

And those who are forced to do it because of their job are deeply traumatised by it.

So ask yourself this. Would you be happy for your husband to go out killing people for a living? Your son? Your daughter’s husband?

Don’t you think that if someone has the capacity to kill people they also have the capacity to kill yo?

If you are a killer youo’re a killer regardless of who you’re killing. Don’t kid yourself that a decent hard-working family man or woman is someone who would be happy to kill other people for a living, regardless of who they are.

Only some with already violent tendencies is has it in them to kill someone. And if they can do it to one person, they can do it to another. An innocent one. Maybe you, maybe your children.

I am against the death penalty but in favour of assisted dying for one reason - autonomy

Indeed they are, while committing the terrorism and are highly likely to be a danger to the public.

They aren't killed as punishment, but in the defence of people.

But you know this, and are just trying to muddy the waters and deflect

Exactly. The whataboutery and apologists on this thread are both disgusting and terrifying in equal amounts.

But if you think that a cold blooded murderer should be executed, and should NOT live a life in comfort, in a cushy prison, with educational and training facilities, and home comforts, and warmth, 3 meals a day, (and drugs and ciggies on tap!) you're 'a Daily Mail Reader.' 🙄

Bring back the death penalty. And do it now. NOW!

So many hand wringing liberal lefties on this thread. It's making me nauseous.

As I said, you can bet these individuals would have a different attitude if one of THEIR loved ones was murdered by someone.

ALSO, if people knew they may face the death sentence for murder, and other really heinous crimes, it MAY be a deterrent. What's the motivation for them to not commit these crimes if they know they will live their life out in a cushy prison?

Interesting how my post from earlier got 31 people agreeing with me and thanking me. Hmmm, seems I am not alone in my opinions. 🤔

That does sometimes happen in the case of terrorists being shot.

We could save even more money and just skip the trial.

It's totally possible to see reasons for somebody becoming so beyond empathy and morality that they would commit such a heinous act, and to also condemn them for their choice to do so.

No time for appeals then?

These are figures for America where prisoners remain on death roe for many many years before death. If a person is found guilty no reason why they can't get death penalty within a few weeks. Then it wouldn't cost high amounts.