This is why we should bring back the death penalty

Yes of course they are different. My point is, we sanction killing in certain scenarios, so sanctioning the execution of our worst criminals isn't too far removed in my opinion.

What you call 'revenge' many would call justice.

Yes, and figures for executions aren't made available either. They're believed to have the highest rate of judicial killing in the world
I was looking this up last night. In 2024, 87% of reported executions took place in just two countries - Iran and Saudi Arabia. The only country in Europe that retains the death penalty is Belarus.

China. They are believed to have the highest amount of judicial killing in the world. People don't have human rights, so they have no right to a defence. They're shot in the head and their family have to pay for the execution including the bullet. I don't think they're killed within hours, but they have no right to appeal.

I'm still waiting to find out about countries that execute within hours of conviction.

It's not feasible because that's not how the law works. There's no point us continuing this exchange as I view your opinions on this as barbarism and we're never going to agree. There are plenty of countries in the world where you can sate your desire for people to be treated as valueless, perhaps you should move there instead.

"murder is wrong. State sanctioned murder is just as wrong" That's what you said but now you're saying that sometimes State sanctioned murder is necessary? You can't have it both ways.

It’s arguably worse as we should expect the state and community as a whole to act according to a higher standard than a violent criminal.

Criminals give into base emotions like anger and vengeance and have no regard for the rights of others.

One poster was pretty honest early on and described her wish for the death penalty as bloodlust. Others have posted lurid fantasies about instant justice. We demean ourselves by giving into this. There are ways of dealing with these individuals that don’t degrade us as a society, so the DP is not only not needed but should be avoided.

You have zero idea about how prison works so why comment on it and make yourself look ignorant

’how do they normally manage them’ …. Nobody is in those conditions for long. No U.K. prison keeps people segregated for longer than necessary do you realise all prison staff have a duty of care, no matter who/what the crime is.

every prisoner has the same.food/exercise. And they have human rights.

Surely most people are against the idea of troops being killed but that is sadly sometimes a necessary part of war. Ideally there would be no wars but as this thread shows some people get a thrill out of people being killed and for some that extends to pointless wars!

@Sirzy Are you against having all killing? If the UK send troops to support one side in a war do you object to that?

Maybe we should we add soliciting to murder to the list of capital offenses.

So some murders are more acceptable than others? We can employ people to be murders and that’s ok but it’s wrong when someone murders? I just don’t get the logic.

muder is wrong. State sanctioned murder is just as wrong.

Well done, you got it.! 👏 Give yourself a pat on the back from me!

But we did “know” about Lucy Letby. There are plenty on here who would have had her dead by now…

No it's not wrong. No line in the sand is needed. Death penalty for the worst/most heinous crimes is needed. Your argument is flawed. Executing a psychopathic killed is not the same as the killer murdering someone in cold blood. I find it farcical and worrying in equal measures that you think the two are even CLOSE to the same.

Ah, okay.

So killing people isn't wrong. It's all about context.

But at the time of her conviction there was little doubt in most peoples minds. Certainly not in the juries minds. Some people want conviction and death the next day so that makes mistakes even more likely to occur.

If it were to be considered you would need a very robust system for appeals and as has been pointed out many times that costs a lot more than life imprisonment

@Internaut How do they normally manage them? They comply because they get a ham sandwich and cuppa?!
If they’re contained, one to a cell with only a tray to pass they’re bread on how are they getting close enough to kill a warden?

Besides I’d rather kill them.

Not her as we don’t know. Rose West/Fred, Levi Bellfield Hindley- what was the point in keeping her alive. I just don’t get it. Maybe just the serial killers then.

Spot on!

mumsnetters can be so naive. Silly sweeping statements but don’t think through to the detail

If not the death penalty it should be solitary- they should never see daylight again, bread and water as sustenance.

How easy do you imagine it would be to recruit and keep warders if that was our system? Would you fancy looking after a load of violent criminals who have literally nothing to lose by killing you?

I don’t see why not, other countries do it for far lesser crimes.
If not the death penalty it should be solitary- they should never see daylight again, bread and water as sustenance.

@CurlewKate You don’t know much about the prison system do you. They’re off shagging and all sorts- they definitely have lives!

Different families will feel differently. That’s normal and you can’t generalise.

but a justice system shouldn’t decide upon punishment based on family wishes. It should be based upon justice. Otherwise you could have two identical crimes punished differently because of the families wishes and how would that be fair?

Ooh so you’ve been and spoken to them? You personally?

no? Didn’t think so.

Way to miss the point. You have not seen statements from all victims’ families. You have only seen the statements that support your view.

The fact that you have not seen statements from families that do not support your view does not mean that all families support your view.

And I would suggest that the sources of the statements - YouTube documentaries or some such - have cherrypicked the statements that supported the view of the filmmaker.