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Unisex toilets in new office - dread going into work

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SocialMol · 24/07/2025 20:32

The company I work for moved to a new office a few weeks ago. It is brand new and shared 50/50 with another company. We have our own side of the floor, key card protected so completely separate.

However, the toilets are in the middle of the block so are shared with the other company. These are unisex - several cubicles with shared area for sinks/dryers etc.

The other company is a sales one (they run a call centre there) and the demographic of their workforce is mainly young men in their 20’s.

There have been several instances of inappropriate comments made to staff in the toilets. Crass stuff like ‘give that cubicle 5 minutes’ to cruder comments directed at or about women - the men will often be talking about their own colleagues in a derogatory way in front of us.

The final straw for me was this afternoon when I walked out of a cubicle and a spotty young lad said he will ‘join me next time’ 😷

Our company are aware of our concerns but said there’s nothing they can do, as the toilets are designed to be ‘inclusive’ and similar to the other modern office blocks they viewed.

I don’t really know what I’m looking for by posting this to be honest, just wanted to know if anyone else finds this sort of set up completely ridiculous?

OP posts:
doodleZ1 · 25/07/2025 13:25

OP the toilets are not in your rented space? So your rented space has to include toilets then and have a provision that they are responsible for. I would be asking the senior person to contact the health and safety executive and ACAS immediately to get a definitive decision on the law. I would also put in a complaint of sexual harassment in the mixed toilets.

LillyPJ · 25/07/2025 13:25

5128gap · 25/07/2025 13:21

Carparks and corridors can be fitted with CCTV to reduce the risk. Women also mitigate their risk by avoiding these places or not going alone. Are Women supposed to avoid going to the toilet or go with a friend just so men can be allowed to use the same facilities? Why is it so important to you that men and women use shared bathrooms, that you are putting forward these arguments?

It's not important to me that there are shared facilities but I can see that it can be a perfectly reasonable provision. I think the problem for OP is the inappropriate behaviour of some men and the fact that her employers seem unwilling to tackle it.

5128gap · 25/07/2025 13:21

LillyPJ · 25/07/2025 12:18

Exactly this. Stationery cupboards, underground car parks, empty corridors... There are plenty of deserted places around offices that seem far more dangerous to me than a probably frequently visited works toilet.

Carparks and corridors can be fitted with CCTV to reduce the risk. Women also mitigate their risk by avoiding these places or not going alone. Are Women supposed to avoid going to the toilet or go with a friend just so men can be allowed to use the same facilities? Why is it so important to you that men and women use shared bathrooms, that you are putting forward these arguments?

99bottlesofkombucha · 25/07/2025 13:06

SocialMol · 25/07/2025 12:58

That has been put to them but the response was the toilets are not in our rented space and are the responsibility of the landlord. Plus those responsible for the behaviour are outside of the companies remit.

The company isn’t huge, HR matters are dealt with by one or two people. So it’s possible they are wrong.

that would make the company have obtaindd inadequate facilities. It’s still completely totally on them to rectify.

BallerinaRadio · 25/07/2025 13:05

SocialMol · 25/07/2025 09:57

We wouldn’t encounter them if they had their own loos.

So you'd never see these people around the office? How do you know they're not making these comments at their desks?

Sunshineandblueskysalltheway · 25/07/2025 13:04

'The company isn’t huge, HR matters are dealt with by one or two people. So it’s possible they are wrong.'

They are, yes.

Please stop 'putting it to them' and raise a grievance under the written policies of your employer.

SocialMol · 25/07/2025 12:58

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 25/07/2025 12:57

It's not pointless because irrespective of whether they work for a different company YOUR company has a duty to protect YOU from sexual harassment.

That has been put to them but the response was the toilets are not in our rented space and are the responsibility of the landlord. Plus those responsible for the behaviour are outside of the companies remit.

The company isn’t huge, HR matters are dealt with by one or two people. So it’s possible they are wrong.

OP posts:
Jimmyneutronsforehead · 25/07/2025 12:57

SocialMol · 25/07/2025 12:52

One of my more senior colleagues has tried escalating things. The owners of the building are adamant the toilets are compliant and any concerns over conduct of employees is for the tenant companies to ‘police’ and nothing to do with them. So they’ve washed their hands of things.

I think next steps is for our company to contact the management of the neighbouring one and ask they address the concerns with their staff.

Those saying go to HR - pointless because the men don’t work for our company.

It's not pointless because irrespective of whether they work for a different company YOUR company has a duty to protect YOU from sexual harassment.

SocialMol · 25/07/2025 12:52

One of my more senior colleagues has tried escalating things. The owners of the building are adamant the toilets are compliant and any concerns over conduct of employees is for the tenant companies to ‘police’ and nothing to do with them. So they’ve washed their hands of things.

I think next steps is for our company to contact the management of the neighbouring one and ask they address the concerns with their staff.

Those saying go to HR - pointless because the men don’t work for our company.

OP posts:
Thelnebriati · 25/07/2025 12:41

Workplace toilets are either single use (a self contained cubicle) or single sex.
Regulations 20 and 21 cover toilets and washing facilities;

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), washing facilities shall not be suitable unless –

(a) they are provided in the immediate vicinity of every sanitary convenience, whether or not provided elsewhere as well;

(h) separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.

www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l24.pdf

effie19 · 25/07/2025 12:31

The issue is the people, not the toilets? If you had a shared kitchen then presumably these men would still be foul. It obviously wants resolving but isn't a toilets issue per se. How can there be this many gross people in one company? I would expect my company to be approaching theirs with evidence.

Sad to hear that unisex toilets don't have to include the sink in the cubicle as I love them at work for that reason. They work so much better for mooncups.

AnSolas · 25/07/2025 12:25

LillyPJ · 25/07/2025 12:18

Exactly this. Stationery cupboards, underground car parks, empty corridors... There are plenty of deserted places around offices that seem far more dangerous to me than a probably frequently visited works toilet.

So now it a 1+n countdown on location.

LillyPJ · 25/07/2025 12:18

Tekknonan · 25/07/2025 11:59

If the cubicles are separate and lockable from the inside, then unisex toilets are legal.

My offices provide separate, lockable cubicles with a small handbasin and solid floor to ceiling doors on each cubicle. There are also shared basins. I have never had any problematic comments from male users. Everyone treats it as a normal part of the daily routine.

Rapists and assaulters exist in every environemnt. I would find the underused starways more risky.

Exactly this. Stationery cupboards, underground car parks, empty corridors... There are plenty of deserted places around offices that seem far more dangerous to me than a probably frequently visited works toilet.

Keeptoiletssafe · 25/07/2025 12:03

parakeet · 25/07/2025 11:14

The person who I quote tweeted, for a start. And several other posters on this thread have implied that it is pointless to try to reduce stranger rapes in toilets because most rapes are by someone known to the woman.

Most serious sexual assaults are in a private space because the perpetrator doesn’t want witnesses or to be stopped. That private space can be as big as a house or small as a toilet cubicle or room. It’s the privacy.

I have many examples of women and children being raped in completely private toilets within very public places.

It’s similar to a medical emergency - you need to be seen to be safe. It’s the same risk on a hillside with no one for miles or a completely private toilet in a busy area.

cranberryshortcake · 25/07/2025 12:00

You’re being sexually harassed in the toilets. Your company is obliged to act and allowing you to work from home is the absolute least they can do while they sort it out.

Forcing them to do this however is another matter as you’d have to take them to court. But you could work from home on the grounds of sexual harassment and see what they do. Risky but they couldn’t possibly fire you for it, you’d be able to make a massive claim.

Tekknonan · 25/07/2025 11:59

If the cubicles are separate and lockable from the inside, then unisex toilets are legal.

My offices provide separate, lockable cubicles with a small handbasin and solid floor to ceiling doors on each cubicle. There are also shared basins. I have never had any problematic comments from male users. Everyone treats it as a normal part of the daily routine.

Rapists and assaulters exist in every environemnt. I would find the underused starways more risky.

Tekknonan · 25/07/2025 11:52

You need to complian to HR. That kind of behaviour is harrassment.

rrrrrreatt · 25/07/2025 11:49

parakeet · 25/07/2025 11:14

The person who I quote tweeted, for a start. And several other posters on this thread have implied that it is pointless to try to reduce stranger rapes in toilets because most rapes are by someone known to the woman.

You quote tweeted me in that post, that’s why I responded. I’m not sure if you mean the OP who commented about stranger rapes?

I responded with the stat for stranger rapes from the Rape Crisis page because I was shocked it was 1 in 2, clicked through and saw 6 in 7 are known, meaning 1 in 7 are not. I think every rape is horrendous, whether you know the person or not, but the idea 50% we’re strangers genuinely scared me and I wouldn’t want others to feel the same based on an incorrect stat.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2025 11:46

BundleBoogie · 24/07/2025 22:25

I’m glad you feel so safe that you can afford this attitude.

Many women should feel safe in all sorts of places of work, like hospitals for example. Are you aware of how many rapes and sexual assaults that take place by male staff in hospitals? Their jobs would presumably be at risk if caught (and convicted - which, as only 1% of reported rapes even get charged, let alone convicted, is low), so that’s clearly not reliable deterrent. Even if they don’t commit rape or sexual assault, they are deliberately making OP feel very uncomfortable in her place of work.

Why do you think she should have to put up with that? Are we in the 1970s? This isn’t ’hypersensitivity’ or a lack of common sense - this is OP expecting basic legal provision of toilet facilities in the workplace.

In the 1970s there would have been no men in the ladies. Which shows just how much we have regressed that the 70s were better!

Grammarnut · 25/07/2025 11:43

LoserWinner · 24/07/2025 22:09

That’s hardly likely to be a risk in office toilets. I despair at the lack of common sense and hypersensitivity of people today.

It is a risk. You think rapes don't happen in workplaces? And anyway, the facilities are illegal.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 25/07/2025 11:43

FluffPiece · 25/07/2025 07:38

Do you work in a bawdy 60s sitcom, OP? It would be very unusual to find a company where coincidentally so many of the men seem to have that kind of attitude, and are willing to display it at their place of work.

The MN bee in the bonnet about toilets is really bizarre. The vast majority of assaults against women aren’t by transpeople and they aren’t by strangers in bathrooms. They are by straight men who are already known to the victim.

That said, the law about unisex workplace toilets is that the cubicles have to be individual lockable rooms, so you can always raise that as an issue.

So what?

I don't want to share toilets with males: either those that I know or those that I don't.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2025 11:41

SouthernNights59 · 24/07/2025 21:59

I agree. Honestly, the things I read about on MN which people can't cope with these days and which causes MH issues astounds me.

Can't cope with? Like not getting raped/sexually assaulted/harassed in the workplace when using the toilet facilities. We have laws to deal with this. The toilets in question are illegal in the UK and no woman has to put up with harassment because you think it is ok. It's not okay and it is illegal.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2025 11:30

LoserWinner · 24/07/2025 20:45

Oh, for goodness’ sake! I assume you are a grown woman? Just deal with it. Tell the oikish twerps to show a bit of respect and get on with your life. The human race somehow managed to survive when whole streets shared outdoor loos. I’m sure sharing cubicle toilets in a modern building won’t kill anyone.

Actually it might. Unisex toilets are the place where a majority of sexual assaults take place according to gov figures.
Anyway, women have a right to dignity and privacy when using a toilet facility and the OP hates this system. You do not have the right to tell her to put up with it - she has the right to say she will not, and get it fixed.

Grammarnut · 25/07/2025 11:28

I think those toilets might be illegal - it is certainly worth checking. If unisex toilets are used in a workplace I am pretty sure each toilet had to be integral with a sink and dryer - not that this makes them safer, of course - if a door opens inward in such a space I always slam it hard right back!
I'd WFH till this was fixed. Quote SC judgement which referred to the regulations of 1995 about work place provision.

parakeet · 25/07/2025 11:14

rrrrrreatt · 25/07/2025 10:43

I think we’re permitted to try and mitigate all rape, whether the perpetrator is known to the victim or not. Who’s said otherwise?

The person who I quote tweeted, for a start. And several other posters on this thread have implied that it is pointless to try to reduce stranger rapes in toilets because most rapes are by someone known to the woman.