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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

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Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 14:52

NellitheNelephant · 28/07/2025 14:49

The links do not show the prevalence of the images that you describe. They describe there being the odd presence of a placard with a swastika, which neither we nor the police officer in the story, can see. Also the Daily Mail headline would make it seem that there are thousands of racist placards, but for those of us who can read it is clear that there are thousands of protesters, a very small minority of whom might have such disgusting placards. I think that the presence of one placard is bad enough, but the fact that you are trying to make it seem as though the majority of the protesters are doing this is not on.

And you still haven't even told us about the anti-semitic event that prompted you to create this thread.

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I did, if you read the whole thread, and I also gave a detailed account of another incident. I have provided links, and there is a lot of other evidence online. You are still choosing to disbelieve. Would you disbelieve anyone who was giving their personal account of another type of racism? Or is it because I am Jewish m?

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NellitheNelephant · 28/07/2025 14:49

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:20

I have posted the links above. There are many more articles if you do a quick Google. It's not a myth, and I find it quite offensive that you doubt my experiences. I stated clearly that I witnessed people holding placards with swastikas (often over the Star of David) when I came across these marches accidentally. The reality is that they are very hard to avoid in London.

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The links do not show the prevalence of the images that you describe. They describe there being the odd presence of a placard with a swastika, which neither we nor the police officer in the story, can see. Also the Daily Mail headline would make it seem that there are thousands of racist placards, but for those of us who can read it is clear that there are thousands of protesters, a very small minority of whom might have such disgusting placards. I think that the presence of one placard is bad enough, but the fact that you are trying to make it seem as though the majority of the protesters are doing this is not on.

And you still haven't even told us about the anti-semitic event that prompted you to create this thread.

nomas · 28/07/2025 14:14

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:47

Are you willfully ignoring the article where a member of the public spoke to the police about Swatiskas, and the police officer said they would not take action?

There are dozens more articles out there, and photos, if you quickly Google. You can disbelieve all you like, but the evidence is there. There have been articles about support for Hamas and Hezbollah at these marches, pro-terrorist material being distributed etc as well.

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I did read the Telegraph article but there was no image of a swastika / placard or any other evidence of one.

Let me clear, any one displaying such symbols should be arrested and charged.

But I don’t think the police or government would tolerate weekly marches with swastikas everywhere and none of the links provided show this. I don’t London has descended into Nazi Germany just yet.

mumandmumber · 28/07/2025 14:05

@nomas

I recently years, we have thankfully learnt a LOT and come some way in respecting lived experiences.
For example, now if you question a POC person’s experience of racism, you're rightly called out.
Do the same to a Jew talking about antisemitism, and suddenly it's 'open to debate.'
Funny how empathy has an asterisk..!

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 14:02

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 13:39

One of the most shocking things I've seen is the protesters who were dressed up as Holocaust victims. Grotesque.

Absolutely, but I am sure there are people on this thread who would attempt to justify or minimise this.

There was even an attempt at minimising the Swatiskas above. I despair.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:47

nomas · 28/07/2025 13:33

I read all three articles and there is just one instance where a woman is holding a placard which has a Star of David morphed into the swastika.

I agree it’s offensive because she is likening Israel to Nazi Germany but she is not saying she’s a Nazi.

I don’t see how one instance translates into weekly marches with swastikas everywhere.

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Are you willfully ignoring the article where a member of the public spoke to the police about Swatiskas, and the police officer said they would not take action?

There are dozens more articles out there, and photos, if you quickly Google. You can disbelieve all you like, but the evidence is there. There have been articles about support for Hamas and Hezbollah at these marches, pro-terrorist material being distributed etc as well.

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Comedycook · 28/07/2025 13:39

One of the most shocking things I've seen is the protesters who were dressed up as Holocaust victims. Grotesque.

Dideon · 28/07/2025 13:37

NellitheNelephant · 28/07/2025 10:41

We could equally ask you if you have seen people throwing petrol bombs and weapons at businesses? I know of a Muslim family whose shop was destroyed and they moved out of the country after last year's race riots.

It is getting frustrating with you trying to prove that anti-semitism is the worst kind of "ism". We all acknowledge that it exists. We all think it is awful. Let's go from there. No need to make your case by saying that Jewish people face the worst discrimination in the history of the world. What is the point in that? Do you want us to ban the anti-Palestine protests? I for one don't want that to happen. We have a right to condemn what the Israeli government is doing. Do I condone the presence of Nazi flags and racist chants? Of course not.

Yes, I think you are in danger. In fact we all are. The longer the onslaught on Gaza goes on, the more we are creating a terrorist threat now and for generations to come.

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Perfectly put !!

nomas · 28/07/2025 13:33

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:17

The evidence is there, if you just do a quick Google. It's not slanderous, it's fact.. and I am not sure why you are going straight to wild accusations rather than just doing a quick fact quick yourself.

Unfortunately this is the problem we see commonly: people do not want to accept anything that does not fit into their own narrative, and lack the critical thinking skills to critically appraise information.

Here are just a few examples of the blatant Anti-Semitism at these marches:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13927983/amp/Outrage-Palestinian-demonstrators-mass-London-proudly-wielding-anti-Semitic-placards.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/31/swastikas-met-police-pro-palestinian-march-anti-semitism/

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/met-police-hunting-protesters-racist-posters-pro-palestinian-march-k73bf060d

I read all three articles and there is just one instance where a woman is holding a placard which has a Star of David morphed into the swastika.

I agree it’s offensive because she is likening Israel to Nazi Germany but she is not saying she’s a Nazi.

I don’t see how one instance translates into weekly marches with swastikas everywhere.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:23

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:47

Constantly denying other people's experiences and asking for evidence is getting extremely tedious. You either need your eyes testing or you are just being wilfully obtuse.

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They are unfortunately illustrating my initial observation, that there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism. They will obfuscate, minimise, deny, and try to derail.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:20

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 10:46

I have been to marches for an end to genocide in Gaza. I have never seen a swastika. I have seen very ordinary peaceable people from all backgrounds who are sickened by the atrocities in Palestine. There is no undercurrent of hatred against Jews.

Do you have any evidence of this claim whatsoever?

It sounds like myth that has taken hold in your social circle and come to be believed as fact.

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I have posted the links above. There are many more articles if you do a quick Google. It's not a myth, and I find it quite offensive that you doubt my experiences. I stated clearly that I witnessed people holding placards with swastikas (often over the Star of David) when I came across these marches accidentally. The reality is that they are very hard to avoid in London.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:18

pinkglitter12 · 28/07/2025 12:12

These animals that did that to you and your children should be deported. Don't care if they were British, they need to go live somewhere that aligns with their moronic beliefs

Thank you for the solidarity. I would take the police just charging them and a suitable criminal punishment, but I doubt that will even happen in the current climate.

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Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 13:17

The evidence is there, if you just do a quick Google. It's not slanderous, it's fact.. and I am not sure why you are going straight to wild accusations rather than just doing a quick fact quick yourself.

Unfortunately this is the problem we see commonly: people do not want to accept anything that does not fit into their own narrative, and lack the critical thinking skills to critically appraise information.

Here are just a few examples of the blatant Anti-Semitism at these marches:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13927983/amp/Outrage-Palestinian-demonstrators-mass-London-proudly-wielding-anti-Semitic-placards.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/31/swastikas-met-police-pro-palestinian-march-anti-semitism/

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/met-police-hunting-protesters-racist-posters-pro-palestinian-march-k73bf060d

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SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2025 12:15

While in Ireland, they're quite comfortable victim blaming:

https://x.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1949702054043144254

https://x.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1949702054043144254

pinkglitter12 · 28/07/2025 12:12

These animals that did that to you and your children should be deported. Don't care if they were British, they need to go live somewhere that aligns with their moronic beliefs

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 11:03

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 11:00

You describe them as pro Palestine convoys. Being pro-Palestine is not anti semitic or aimed in anyway at the Jewish population. It is aimed at those who support Israel.

If they were shouting abuse against Jews just for being Jewish then that is beyond disgraceful and very different from the organised pro-palestine marches. I hope they are dealt with robustly.

Most people who are pro Palestine because they don't want to see people suffer, would also be horrified at the thought of anyone being targeted because of their religion.

Open racism has been emboldened by the last government with all their rhetoric about small boats etc.

My family was affected by a racist attack last year, I know there has been violence towards accommodation for asylum seekers, there were scenes of black and brown people being chased in the riots last year for the colour of their skin. I despair of all of this.

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Im not describing them as that....that's what I typed into Google.

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 11:02

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:47

Constantly denying other people's experiences and asking for evidence is getting extremely tedious. You either need your eyes testing or you are just being wilfully obtuse.

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It's only when the claims are outlandish and somewhat slanderous.
The pro Palestine marches are trying to force a government to stop the mass killing and abuse of people.
Trying to tar those attending as fascists and Nazis is disgraceful.
The pro Israel posters on here are the first to ask for evidence of widely reported atrocities and will be the first to claim that the images are fake.
When there are two opposing viewpoints about an event evidence is necessary.

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 11:00

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:44

I just typed into Google...pro Palestine convoy London....and heaps came up. Try it.

You describe them as pro Palestine convoys. Being pro-Palestine is not anti semitic or aimed in anyway at the Jewish population. It is aimed at those who support Israel.

If they were shouting abuse against Jews just for being Jewish then that is beyond disgraceful and very different from the organised pro-palestine marches. I hope they are dealt with robustly.

Most people who are pro Palestine because they don't want to see people suffer, would also be horrified at the thought of anyone being targeted because of their religion.

Open racism has been emboldened by the last government with all their rhetoric about small boats etc.

My family was affected by a racist attack last year, I know there has been violence towards accommodation for asylum seekers, there were scenes of black and brown people being chased in the riots last year for the colour of their skin. I despair of all of this.

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:47

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 10:46

I have been to marches for an end to genocide in Gaza. I have never seen a swastika. I have seen very ordinary peaceable people from all backgrounds who are sickened by the atrocities in Palestine. There is no undercurrent of hatred against Jews.

Do you have any evidence of this claim whatsoever?

It sounds like myth that has taken hold in your social circle and come to be believed as fact.

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Constantly denying other people's experiences and asking for evidence is getting extremely tedious. You either need your eyes testing or you are just being wilfully obtuse.

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 10:46

Longingdreamer · 28/07/2025 08:18

Go into London on a Saturday, and you will see them. The police turn a blind eye.

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I have been to marches for an end to genocide in Gaza. I have never seen a swastika. I have seen very ordinary peaceable people from all backgrounds who are sickened by the atrocities in Palestine. There is no undercurrent of hatred against Jews.

Do you have any evidence of this claim whatsoever?

It sounds like myth that has taken hold in your social circle and come to be believed as fact.

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:44

I just typed into Google...pro Palestine convoy London....and heaps came up. Try it.

Comedycook · 28/07/2025 10:43

CleverButScatty · 28/07/2025 10:40

Do you have any links to reposts if these convoys?

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Do you struggle with searching the internet?

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