To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

This is really articulately explained.

Why is this grotesque? It is making the point that what the Holocaust victims suffered is comparable with what people in Palestine are suffering.

Firstly, it's not. They're two completely different situations.
Secondly, if you're told, time and time again, that this comparison is hurtful and offensive to Jewish people, maybe it's time to find another one.

Why is this grotesque? It is making the point that what the Holocaust victims suffered is comparable with what people in Palestine are suffering.

It is about the fact that everyone said 'never again' but here we are, again, just with different groups of people.

The other issue as I see it is that Israel is losing the PR war. A lot of claims about the various "atrocities" it's committing prove, on closer examination, to be incorrect or framed in order to portray it in the worst light possible.

I'm not denying that things are hellish for the civilians of Gaza, before anyone claims that - but I do think that the constant assumption of worst-faith possible explanations for Israeli actions, and the willingness to believe lies and the distortion of truth, probably is in many cases based in antisemitism - it's blood libel, essentially.

It's impossible to scroll X without an endless barrage of "bloodthirsty Israhell demons" posts.

But anyway, as ever, this is a derail - it's impossible to have a thread, on MN or elsewhere, about antisemitism in the UK, without it going back to Gaza.

But the Holocaust and the situation in Gaza have very few similarities. Even if you are horrified by what's happening currently, what's your reasoning for choosing the Holocaust to use as comparison over other historical events that will share far more similarities?

It's not difficult to understand your viewpoint. I just don't agree.
The Israel government are carrying out acts very similar to the Nazis and to call them Nazis is not anti semitic or racist.
It's absolutely bananas to suggest that there is one country's government that is exempt from being called to account for their actions.

Playing devils advocate but I presume the hypocrisy of the Israeli government (not the Jewish people) inflicting such atrocities on another race/ethnic group.

Humans are generally awful regardless of their race and the ethnicity and often can only see the horrors inflicted upon themselves; oblivious to the way they treat others. Other races/groups are dehumanised and is a way of disconnecting themselves from the atrocities they inflict on others.

No one is claiming that peaceful protest or criticism of the Israeli government is inherently anti-Semitic. The concern is that, unfortunately, such protest (actual & online etc) while often starting out as mostly sincere and peaceful, have contributed to a rise in anti-Semitism. This is largely because anti-Semitic sentiment remains widespread, and many of these demonstrations and online discussions have been co-opted or distorted, in part due to propaganda efforts by Iran and its proxies, turning them into something less genuine & providing a platform for those with more sinister views, subconscious and conscious.
This becomes especially dangerous for Jewish communities around the world, who increasingly find themselves targeted not for their views, but simply for being Jewish. Synagogues vandalized, Jewish students harassed, and hateful rhetoric spreads unchecked, all under the guise of political protest. What begins as political dissent can quickly become a justification for bigotry, and that shift carries very real, very frightening consequences.
It’s a very tricky situation.

I agree with this. And it does seem difficult for people to understand. I always want to ask them why they have chosen that particular atrocity to compare the situation in Palestine to when there are so many others you could use if you wish to do that? I have actually asked people I know and they don't understand what I am saying.

But I didn't do that. I think you have to do a bit of intellectual gymnastics to get to what you are suggesting, and I really don't think it is useful to keep trying to prove that people like me are anti-semitic.
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Oh dear.

Criticising the Israeli government is not necessarily anti semetic.

Comparing them to the Nazis is.

Is it that difficult to understand?

For now.

If you are saying that being anti Israel government is anti-Semitic then yes, I like many people wholeheartedly reject that.

The fact that it (currently) is official makes no difference. And I think you will see the number of countries supporting that drop rapidly in light of Israel's actions.

It's nonsensical. It is like Italy committing some awful act, people protesting against it, and then claiming that the protest is anti catholic.

It s a definition which suits some though, feeling as though you can accuse anyone who disagrees with you as racist.

So you think there's no anti semetism on the marches because you reject the official definition of anti semetism?

So people see a pro-Palestine march and call it an antisemitic march etc. which is only strengthening the (false) view that being Jewish and an Israeli supporter is interchangable.

There were multiple threads on here at the time when the marches were most frequent, cataloguing the various posters and signs that were blatently antisemitic. It's inaccurate to state that the view is always false - sometimes it's true.

Well the UK government use the IHRAs definition of anti semetism.

One of the key reasons for this conflation is complaints of anti-Semitism which are actually just cases of people disapproving of Israel's actions.

So the conflation of Jews worldwide and Israel is actually, in SOME cases coming from Jewish people.

So people see a pro-Palestine march and call it an antisemitic march etc. which is only strengthening the (false) view that being Jewish and an Israeli supporter is interchangable.

Nope. The opinion of many people is that that view is bullshit. I think the peaceful pressure from the masses in many countries will hopefully force governments to reconsider whether they support that.

Israel have undertaken many actions which are comparable with the Nazis. Ethnic cleansing. dehumanisation. Hoarding helpless people into spaces to die. Removing their rights. Mass starvation.

If someone is enough of a cunt to act like that they get called out on it. Regardless of race and religion.

Because the same term is used to describe various groups that behave in a way comparable to the Nazis, for example ICE in the USA.

I am not referring to that incident. I am referring to her description of people marching around London with swastikas. Trying to slander peaceful people who want an end to suffering in Palestine as violent Nazis.

If someone threatened it abused her family of course that is anti-Semitism, but that is. It what I (or she) was referring to in this post.

I assume at least, because she hasn't actually described what happened.

And yes I would say the same. If a black woman saw me protesting atrocities but someone who happened to be black, and accused me of racism on that basis, I would call her out just as loudly.

I think you are making an assumption that I, andyfamily are all white tbh.

And when pushed you describe something that clearly signifies Israel acting like the Nazis did

Comparing Israeli policy to the Nazis is anti semetic though. If you look up the IHRA definition, it's clearly stated.

This is what I mean about the boy that cried wolf and what is undermining actual anti semitism.

The OP initially described her and her children being attacked - you know, actual antisemitism.
Would you honestly, hand on heart, speak this way to a black woman who posted to describe being racially abused?

Drip drip...Oh you are being disingenuous.
You indicated initially that there are neonatzis marching round London with swastikas.

And when pushed you describe something that clearly signifies Israel acting like the Nazis did in the name of Judaism. Ie being Nazis and trampling over Judaism to do so.

This is what I mean about the boy that cried wolf and what is undermining actual anti semitism.

I am not "disbelieving". I believe there is a rise in anti-semitism (or that it has never gone away). Being sympathetic with the plight of Palestinians in Gaza does not mean that a person is not aware of this.

Is it possible to sympathise about antisemitism in the UK without mentioning Gaza in the same breath? Because there's a subtext there if you do that - you're basically implying all Jewish people are accountable for that, just because they're Jewish.

I am not "disbelieving". I believe there is a rise in anti-semitism (or that it has never gone away). Being sympathetic with the plight of Palestinians in Gaza does not mean that a person is not aware of this.

Things are really bad enough without you trying to make us turn against people marching in protest about the plight of people in Palestine. For some of us it isn't either or. We can hold two thoughts/ideas in our heads at once.