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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

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Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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Bobbingtons · 24/07/2025 16:41

mumandmumber · 24/07/2025 16:20

WOW. Your ignorance has taken my breath away. I actually can’t believe you wrote that down and posted it.

Which bit is incorrect, the modern Zionist movement claims that that their right to Israel is because they are the chosen people and that God promised them the land.

LondonPapa · 24/07/2025 16:39

Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 16:37

We were in physical danger, which I had made clear, a large group was making threats to our life. I communicated this, and that they were in the vicinity. I was holding two children so couldn't physically call the police at that point. If I was taken into a safe space I could have put them down and done so. This is available in tube stations.

Do you really think that telling us to leave, and sending us into the path of the perpetrators was acceptable?

I’m very sorry you went through this. You cannot rely on anyone else to call the police. TfL staff won’t do anything (I’d argue they secretly side with the wankers). Call British Transport Police on 999. No ifs, no buts. You must do it yourself if you believe yourself, and your children to be in danger - and I’d argue with anti-semitism, you are as you don’t know how it’ll escalate.

Please also ensure you’re able to protect yourself, and your children should it escalate. Try not to goad them back, they will do it enough to get a reaction, and in turn goad themselves.

Self-defence is a much needed skill.

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 16:38

Bobbingtons · 24/07/2025 16:37

Very little about what, the ongoing scapegoating of Jewish people over the last thousand odd years including repeated explanations from countries such as ours. The fact that a large proportion of modern conspiracy theories are just rebranded anti Semitic tropes. The total balls up by the British government when creating the Israeli state without considering the people there already as colonists never see native populations as human humans.
The fact that Israel was largely created as the Western allies didn't want Jewish refugees to settle and wanted to wash their hands off the problem and abandoning the he who moved there to be attacked by their new neighbours leading to constant tension in the area and an increasingly right wing government.
And that's just the beginning! Which bit am I ignorant of here?

We were discussing the definition of Zionism. I am quite confused as to what you are now going on about

Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 16:37

CopperWhite · 24/07/2025 16:24

I had asked for the police to be called and to be taken somewhere safe.

London Underground staff didn’t do as you asked, but that doesn’t automatically mean they anti semitic. They wouldn’t do it for anyone if they didn’t think it was necessary. A personal escort to another area is quite a big ask when there’s no physical threat. You could have called the police yourself if you felt like you were in danger.

Without referring to the incident experienced in the OP because we don’t know what happened, I think part of the problem is that acts of solidarity with Palestine, like wearing a keffiyeh or taking part in peaceful protest, are inaccurately labelled by some as being anti-Semitic, which creates more fear and division and dilutes the importance of genuine issues of racism.

We were in physical danger, which I had made clear, a large group was making threats to our life. I communicated this, and that they were in the vicinity. I was holding two children so couldn't physically call the police at that point. If I was taken into a safe space I could have put them down and done so. This is available in tube stations.

Do you really think that telling us to leave, and sending us into the path of the perpetrators was acceptable?

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Bobbingtons · 24/07/2025 16:37

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 16:16

You obviously know very little.

Very little about what, the ongoing scapegoating of Jewish people over the last thousand odd years including repeated explanations from countries such as ours. The fact that a large proportion of modern conspiracy theories are just rebranded anti Semitic tropes. The total balls up by the British government when creating the Israeli state without considering the people there already as colonists never see native populations as human humans.
The fact that Israel was largely created as the Western allies didn't want Jewish refugees to settle and wanted to wash their hands off the problem and abandoning the he who moved there to be attacked by their new neighbours leading to constant tension in the area and an increasingly right wing government.
And that's just the beginning! Which bit am I ignorant of here?

Cattenberg · 24/07/2025 16:37

Flushmush · 24/07/2025 14:16

Your not being unreasonable, I am not Jewish, I was raised Catholic but my father is so I feel sensitive to this issue and I suppose could be considered part Jewish. I think understandably people are outraged at what is happening in Gaza but there are times that outrage seems to spill over into antisemitism and in other instances it seems to give permission to some who always hated Jews to express that hatred freely.

There seem to be some crossed wires on this thread. The above post was the first to mention Gaza. Someone then posted, "I am outraged by the genocide in Gaza but not anti-Semitic in the slightest."

Cue all the posts asking why Gaza had been mentioned and that it was anti-Semitic to bring Gaza into this...

Anyway OP, I think it's appalling that the London Underground staff didn't do anything to help after death threats were made to you. I think they should have led you to a safe (or at least, safer) place to wait while they phoned the police. I would definitely complain.

This should apply to death threats made to anyone, for any reason. You don't just ask the victims to leave alongside the perpetrators!

WhiteAndChocolateFuzzy · 24/07/2025 16:36

@PenelopePennyDrop Most decent people are fed up of the genocide in Gaza, which is caused by Hamas, so nothing to do with the Jewish people.

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 16:35

Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 15:29

The LU staff just told us to leave, which sent us directly into the path of the perpetrators again. They really couldn't care less, and it showed.

I had asked for the police to be called and to be taken somewhere safe.

That's appalling. I think you should complain to TfL and copy in whoever is the politician responsible for transport in London these days.

How can women and children feel safe to travel on the tube if TfL staff don't take appropriate action when something happens?

Onlyhereforthebatshitneighbours · 24/07/2025 16:33

There was a disturbing rise in anti semitism before the horrific events of October last year and since the Palestinian genocide its rocketed.

I'm so sorry you're experiencing it firsthand, op, many of us do still care. I hope the investigation leads to charges.

BeatrizBoniface · 24/07/2025 16:33

Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 15:29

The LU staff just told us to leave, which sent us directly into the path of the perpetrators again. They really couldn't care less, and it showed.

I had asked for the police to be called and to be taken somewhere safe.

That's dreadful, and I'm sorry to hear that you and your children have experienced this. I know that there's been an increase in antisemitism lately. I wish it could be taken more seriously.

BeatrizBoniface · 24/07/2025 16:32

HiRen · 24/07/2025 15:58

Have you seen Mandy Patinkin's rant last week (I think) against Bibi Netanyahu and his government? The reasons for the reception you got are explained in it.

I'm not sure what your point is. What has Mandy Patinkin got to do with it, and would you call racism "a reception"? I'm sure that you don't mean to minimise it.

BeatrizBoniface · 24/07/2025 16:29

User37482 · 24/07/2025 15:45

If you aren’t sure whether you are a racist try substituting the word “black” for any statement you make. If it seems a bit racist them you are probably a racist. God I feel disgusted already. Sorry OP you shouldn’t be facing this.

Thank you, I was just coming on here to say this. Unbelievable.

BeatrizBoniface · 24/07/2025 16:25

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 14:35

The phrase 'Anti-Semitism' has been so awfully overused in the last couple of years that people, including the police, probably now under-react to any real examples or reports of it

It's not a phrase.

And can you imagine saying this sentence but replace anti semetism with the word racism. It's outrageous.

So sorry op...yanbu

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This ⬆️.
It's racism, which unfortunately, people on here seem to minimise.

CopperWhite · 24/07/2025 16:24

I had asked for the police to be called and to be taken somewhere safe.

London Underground staff didn’t do as you asked, but that doesn’t automatically mean they anti semitic. They wouldn’t do it for anyone if they didn’t think it was necessary. A personal escort to another area is quite a big ask when there’s no physical threat. You could have called the police yourself if you felt like you were in danger.

Without referring to the incident experienced in the OP because we don’t know what happened, I think part of the problem is that acts of solidarity with Palestine, like wearing a keffiyeh or taking part in peaceful protest, are inaccurately labelled by some as being anti-Semitic, which creates more fear and division and dilutes the importance of genuine issues of racism.

User37482 · 24/07/2025 16:21

mumandmumber · 24/07/2025 16:20

WOW. Your ignorance has taken my breath away. I actually can’t believe you wrote that down and posted it.

I can unfortunately.

User37482 · 24/07/2025 16:20

I think the difference is that whilst you may not get help from people at the time, generally the feeling will be that it was wrong for a person to experience discrimination or abuse because of their ethnicity or religion.

I think that it’s become clearer that this doesn’t cover Jews tbh. I’m not Jewish but I am a minority and I’m actually appalled.

mumandmumber · 24/07/2025 16:20

Bobbingtons · 24/07/2025 16:02

Happy to admit I'm wrong on that point. Honestly though, claiming a moral right to occupy land because someone once wrote down thousands of years ago that a magic sky fairy told them it was theirs is a pretty batshit position to hold!

WOW. Your ignorance has taken my breath away. I actually can’t believe you wrote that down and posted it.

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 16:16

Bobbingtons · 24/07/2025 16:02

Happy to admit I'm wrong on that point. Honestly though, claiming a moral right to occupy land because someone once wrote down thousands of years ago that a magic sky fairy told them it was theirs is a pretty batshit position to hold!

You obviously know very little.

nomas · 24/07/2025 16:16

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 16:12

Here we go
Never takes long

Eh? You poked fun and she poked fun back. Why the double standard?

OonaStubbs · 24/07/2025 16:12

If someone said they were totally appalled and disgusted by the holocaust but didn't like Jewish people, they'd rightly be called Antisemitic.

How is this any different from people saying they have nothing against Jewish people but hate Israel and the war against Palestine?

Antisemitism is a real problem and there will always be cover stories and "reasons" for people to be antisemitic but claim they are not.

Nosleepforthismum · 24/07/2025 16:12

Ah I’m sorry OP. The tube staff and police should have taken it more seriously but in all honesty, unless there was an immediate threat to your life or you were being sexually abused, I’d never get involved with any idiots shouting racial abuse no matter what race it was regarding. I would be too frightened of escalating the situation into actual violence and when it’s strangers in the street it’s difficult to risk assess quickly. If it’s only words, it’s a matter of leaving a dangerous situation quickly and reporting to the police. Anything else, I would hope I would intervene.

Comedycook · 24/07/2025 16:12

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Here we go
Never takes long

shortoedtreecreeper · 24/07/2025 16:12

Sorry that happened to you.Yes I think antisemitism was always there, I think it's probably ingrained in european societies since the middleages.It's rearing it's ugly head again now.
Hope you don't have to experience too much more if this.
Do you feel safe living where you live now?

nomas · 24/07/2025 16:10

PhilippaGeorgiou · 24/07/2025 16:04

I have been regularly abused because of disability and not one person stepped forward at the time (plenty of armchair warriors after the event). My friends regularly experience racism and nobody intervenes (unless I am there - I am not easy to shut up). The police have rarely been interested, and less than useful if they took a report anyway.

It is not about anti-semitism. It is about a society in which abuse and discriminatiuon are now widely accepted and in some cases applauded.

@mumandmumber we've rightly been taught to respect the lived experiences of people of colour and other minorities when they speak about racism or oppression.
Try being disabled if you think that. We even have our own government trying to make out we are lazy spendthrifts scrounging off the taxpayer (something MNHQ seems to also find acceptable language). What about asylum seekers and / or refugees - who is respecting their "lived experiences"? Islamophobia? I am 67 years old. Things were supposed to get better. There is more division and hatred in society now than there was when I was a child. I'm not saying things were perfect then, or that these attitudes didn't persist - but at least nobody pretended that they were "respecting" the lived experiences of others. Bullshit - the bigots aren't respecting anything that isn't about themselves, and society in general seems to have descended into chaos and hatred.

I agree. It also doesn’t help that police is still
not diverse. 92% of police officers are white.

IberianBlackout · 24/07/2025 16:09

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