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To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

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Longingdreamer · 24/07/2025 14:04

This month, I have had experienced Anti-Semitism twice. Both times I was with my children.

Both times, my children were distressed, and no one around did anything to protect us or raise the alarm. When we asked for help, we were dismissed. We were in very busy public spaces both times: a tube platform, then a high street.

I reported the first episode to the police. I'm not even sure if it's worth reporting the second episode. Sadly it feels so mainstream, and the authorities are not supportive when I report it either.

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ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 13:05

nomas · 30/07/2025 12:49

It's not condescending to smile at someone.

It's easy to keep your head down and ignore people, it takes more courage to engage with people and smile at them. I have always appreciated people taking the time to smile at me and talk to me.

I don't want someone smiling madly at me because I'm Jewish and they want to let me know that despite that, they neither hate me nor hold me responsible for the actions of a government thousands of miles away, thanks.

nomas · 30/07/2025 12:49

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:12

Oh that was hilarious! That couple - if they existed, you don't tend to see Hasidic Jews using the tube for reasons too obvious to go into here - must have thought you were off your head with your condescending grinning. Do you also smile at black people so they know you don't think less of them despite, well, you know.

It's not condescending to smile at someone.

It's easy to keep your head down and ignore people, it takes more courage to engage with people and smile at them. I have always appreciated people taking the time to smile at me and talk to me.

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:46

Paddingtonscaresme · 30/07/2025 12:41

What rubbish. Of course Hasidic Jews use the tube. I get on the tube at Colindale and at Golders Green it's not unusual to see them at all.

Fair enough.

mumandmumber · 30/07/2025 12:46

familylawyer01392 · 30/07/2025 12:10

Why don't you actually read the thread rather than posting useless comments?

I thought it was a brilliantly useful & clever comment. Illustrated perfectly what a lot of us on this thread have been getting at!

Paddingtonscaresme · 30/07/2025 12:41

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:12

Oh that was hilarious! That couple - if they existed, you don't tend to see Hasidic Jews using the tube for reasons too obvious to go into here - must have thought you were off your head with your condescending grinning. Do you also smile at black people so they know you don't think less of them despite, well, you know.

What rubbish. Of course Hasidic Jews use the tube. I get on the tube at Colindale and at Golders Green it's not unusual to see them at all.

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:13

familylawyer01392 · 30/07/2025 12:10

Why don't you actually read the thread rather than posting useless comments?

Already said, try to keep up.

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:12

Dideon · 30/07/2025 09:55

What do you want an ally of anti- semitism to look like. If I saw a young Jewish women with kids getting harassed, because I can’t stand bullying and I’m not easily intimidated I’d more than likely step in . I gave an example where I did conflate what is going on in Israel with a Jewish couple in describing my over smiling at them. I recognised what I was doing and gave my head a wobble. I live in Hackney and have lived, worked for and was brought up around the biggest Orthodox Jewish community in the Uk. I am not anti - semitic.

Oh that was hilarious! That couple - if they existed, you don't tend to see Hasidic Jews using the tube for reasons too obvious to go into here - must have thought you were off your head with your condescending grinning. Do you also smile at black people so they know you don't think less of them despite, well, you know.

familylawyer01392 · 30/07/2025 12:10

ForWittyTealOP · 29/07/2025 20:59

Not read the entire thread but let me guess the gist of many comments.

The fun game of good Jew/bad Jew
It wasn't because you're Jewish, it's because Londoners are unfriendly/everyone is horrible/maybe you don't look Jewish (enough)
I'm not anti-Semitic but Gaza
Jews play victim
Jews scream antisemitism whenever Israel is criticised
Zionism blah blah

What have I missed out?

Why don't you actually read the thread rather than posting useless comments?

ForWittyTealOP · 30/07/2025 12:09

TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:53

You should read the thread.

Yes I have and I've been utterly unsurprised. BritishJews being held accountable for the actions of a far right zealot who's desperate to retain power to stave off an inevitable prosecution shocker. The "go home" thing was a bit unexpected but I guess we'd better get used to it.

Hoppinggreen · 30/07/2025 12:08

scorpiogirly · 30/07/2025 09:36

You've got a staunch ally here. People seem to forget the atrocities caused by Hamas, which are a terrorost group.

I caught a bit off Sky news on the matter and their biased reporting was breath taking. No wonder people's brains are full of mush with the tripe mainstream media pump out.

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I will never forget the atrocities carried out by Hamas OR The Israeli govt.
I will also never stand by and watch a woman and children being verbally abused in public due to their religion or ethnicity without trying to help.

Dideon · 30/07/2025 09:55

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 09:33

I have repeatedly asked for the thread not to be derailed, you seem to have been selective in your reading. You are also seeking to blame me for other posters derailing the thread.

If you are an ally, you are doing an incredibly poor job of showing it.

What do you want an ally of anti- semitism to look like. If I saw a young Jewish women with kids getting harassed, because I can’t stand bullying and I’m not easily intimidated I’d more than likely step in . I gave an example where I did conflate what is going on in Israel with a Jewish couple in describing my over smiling at them. I recognised what I was doing and gave my head a wobble. I live in Hackney and have lived, worked for and was brought up around the biggest Orthodox Jewish community in the Uk. I am not anti - semitic.

scorpiogirly · 30/07/2025 09:36

You've got a staunch ally here. People seem to forget the atrocities caused by Hamas, which are a terrorost group.

I caught a bit off Sky news on the matter and their biased reporting was breath taking. No wonder people's brains are full of mush with the tripe mainstream media pump out.

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 09:33

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:30

You are still failing to see how holding Jews collectively responsible is in itself Anti-Semitic. Please reflect on that.

I have not once stated or implied this view, because it’s a view I categorically do not subscribe to. No one should be subjected to anti-Semitic abuse.

My point is that you have not asked any of the posters defending Israel’s actions not to derail the thread. That is entirely different.

I have repeatedly asked for the thread not to be derailed, you seem to have been selective in your reading. You are also seeking to blame me for other posters derailing the thread.

If you are an ally, you are doing an incredibly poor job of showing it.

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nomas · 30/07/2025 09:30

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 09:25

I give up with you. I asked repeatedly for it not to be derailed.

You clearly have an agenda. The reality is of course I cannot control other posters.

You are still failing to see how holding Jews collectively responsible is in itself Anti-Semitic. Please reflect on that.

You are still failing to see how holding Jews collectively responsible is in itself Anti-Semitic. Please reflect on that.

I have not once stated or implied this view, because it’s a view I categorically do not subscribe to. No one should be subjected to anti-Semitic abuse.

My point is that you have not asked any of the posters defending Israel’s actions not to derail the thread. That is entirely different.

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 09:25

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:05

You’ve only asked those you disagree with not to derail.

I give up with you. I asked repeatedly for it not to be derailed.

You clearly have an agenda. The reality is of course I cannot control other posters.

You are still failing to see how holding Jews collectively responsible is in itself Anti-Semitic. Please reflect on that.

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BrokenHabit · 30/07/2025 09:12

pinkglitter12 · 29/07/2025 01:08

Theres a lot of pics in the news recently of starving babies, being sobbed over by their plump mothers

What a revolting post. Morally bankrupt.

Dideon · 30/07/2025 09:07

Therefore only Jewish people need contribute to this post as only they will be able to tell you whether or not there are fewer allies against antisemitism.

nomas · 30/07/2025 09:05

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 08:53

That post was one example, of the many.

I have repeatedly asked for this not to be derailed. You have very selective reading. I am asking again for the same.

You’ve only asked those you disagree with not to derail.

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 08:53

nomas · 30/07/2025 08:48

I think it’s unfair to pick on that poster, the thread was derailed hundreds of posts ago.

I think OP would have been better off asking for the thread to be solely about anti-Semitism in the UK. She has engaged in lots of discussion about Israel/Palestine herself on the thread.

That post was one example, of the many.

I have repeatedly asked for this not to be derailed. You have very selective reading. I am asking again for the same.

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TaupeLemur · 30/07/2025 08:53

ForWittyTealOP · 29/07/2025 20:59

Not read the entire thread but let me guess the gist of many comments.

The fun game of good Jew/bad Jew
It wasn't because you're Jewish, it's because Londoners are unfriendly/everyone is horrible/maybe you don't look Jewish (enough)
I'm not anti-Semitic but Gaza
Jews play victim
Jews scream antisemitism whenever Israel is criticised
Zionism blah blah

What have I missed out?

You should read the thread.

nomas · 30/07/2025 08:48

missinglalaland · 30/07/2025 07:58

How is this relevant to a discussion of antisemitism in the UK?

I think it’s unfair to pick on that poster, the thread was derailed hundreds of posts ago.

I think OP would have been better off asking for the thread to be solely about anti-Semitism in the UK. She has engaged in lots of discussion about Israel/Palestine herself on the thread.

Longingdreamer · 30/07/2025 08:38

missinglalaland · 30/07/2025 07:58

How is this relevant to a discussion of antisemitism in the UK?

Agreed, but people just can't stop. They don't see the issue with holding Jews collectively responsible either, and that is Anti-Semitism.

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missinglalaland · 30/07/2025 07:58

HangryLikeTheHulk · 29/07/2025 21:41

Hostages are the only leverage Hamas has.

Israel also holds thousands of Palestinians including children who have not been given a trial.

Furthermore, it’s pretty clear that Israel is holding the entire Palestinian population hostage by trapping them in Gaza and the West Bank, blockading aid, food and medicine. A whole population held hostage.

None of what I have written is in any way antisemitic by the way.

How is this relevant to a discussion of antisemitism in the UK?

Comedycook · 30/07/2025 06:05

HangryLikeTheHulk · 29/07/2025 21:41

Hostages are the only leverage Hamas has.

Israel also holds thousands of Palestinians including children who have not been given a trial.

Furthermore, it’s pretty clear that Israel is holding the entire Palestinian population hostage by trapping them in Gaza and the West Bank, blockading aid, food and medicine. A whole population held hostage.

None of what I have written is in any way antisemitic by the way.

Is Egypt trapping them in Gaza too?

ForWittyTealOP · 29/07/2025 23:47

Dideon · 25/07/2025 17:50

That was the one . My point was, not that it is right but that by pretending that there is no correlation between watching the news filled with images of dying children starved by the current Israelis government and the rise in anti-Jewish sentiment is naive at best . I was on the tube last week and there was a young Hasidic Jewish couple next to me . I was smiling at them too much in an attempt to say you’re alright we know it’s not you . I stopped myself because I knew they did not need my smiling at them however I realised that my over smiling was myself making a correlation with Zionist policy and the Jewish couple .

Cannot imagine why your post was deleted! Utter mystery.

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