To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

But they would have been south African by nationality? You seem to be saying British citizens should have to leave the UK?

21% of Israelis are not Jewish, just like 19% of British are not white.

Just like criticism of the British government isn’t anti-white or anti Christian or anti-British way of life and values, neither is criticism of the Israeli government antisemitism or anti Jewish way of life when the criticism is of a sort we’d make of any other government doing similar actions.

Pretty much everyone who criticises Israel’s government for their possibly criminal conduct of the Gaza conflict, has also criticised the same possible or proven criminal conduct in other world conflicts, present and past respectively.

So do you support the wiping out of Palestine @Comedycook ?

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 19:39
I think if you support the actions of Israel against Palestine, the land grab and the killing of Palestinians, then yes. You should.
If you support the existence of Israel, but think the current drive to wipe out Palestine is wrong, then that is very different.
In the same way, pro-apartheid South Africans, would not have been welcome in the UK. Those not supporting racist and violent political systems are of course welcome.

You're right.

It's not OK.

I hope they have gone home with regrets and sit in the comfortability of their non-action for a while so that, if they ever find themselves in such a position again, they do better.

DH has spend a number of months working in various middle eastern and gulf states. All strongly Muslim as you expect. No protests against Israeli military actions, sympathy for innocent women and children suffering, but none of the demonstrations, volluable dissent, hate, rage and apparent need to display your feelings. No damage to businesses who may trade with Israel, and considerable anger towards Hamas.

Ok thanks

But you said Zionists should live in Israel.

I'm Zionist as in I believe Israel should exist and Jews have the right of self determination.

So do you stand by the notion that I should leave the UK and move to Israel?

And I have clarified my meaning.

No. Obviously.

"Zionists should live in Israel" is the clearly antisemitic statement.

Yes, I accept this. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

It's 'antisemitic' to point out that many Jews don't support the actions of Israel?

Well I believe Israel has a right to exist. I don’t think that should come at the expense of Palestinian territory and that Israel will need to make serious compromises and they need to stop their current actions in Gaza. There needs to be a two state solution.

I can’t believe there are people who say that criticism of Israel’s actions is antisemitic. That is precisely why some people don’t take antisemitism seriously. Because of ludicrous claims that critiquing a government amounts to hate against a race. Is it racist to criticise Zimbabwe or other African countries? Of course not. Is it Islamophobic to criticise Afghanistan or Iraq? Again, no. It’s nonsense to suggest that. And the more people say it, the angrier people get because they can see what is happening and they can see what a load of bullshit the antisemitism claim (in relation to criticism of Netanyahu) is.

I think if you support the actions of Israel against Palestine, the land grab and the killing of Palestinians, then yes. You should

But that's not the definition of a Zionist.

You said Zionists should live in Israel.

Crap. The thread’s about horrible instances of antisemitism. You just don’t like comment on the cause of that antisemitism.

So this is some pretty appalling antisemitism.

I think if you support the actions of Israel against Palestine, the land grab and the killing of Palestinians, then yes. You should.

If you support the existence of Israel, but think the current drive to wipe out Palestine is wrong, then that is very different.

In the same way, pro-apartheid South Africans, would not have been welcome in the UK. Those not supporting racist and violent political systems are of course welcome.

Zionists should live in Israel? So I'm British born to British born parents and I believe Israel should exist and Jewish people have the right to self determination. Are you saying you think I should leave the UK?

as a point of information, the majority of Jews in the UK identify as Zionists. This means that they believe that the state of Israel has a right to exist, and nothing more.

"Israel" with what borders/territory? That is the question. There is no universally agreed principle.

You may find all the ‘talk’ of Israel derailing but to try to claim that the genocide of an entire people by a Israel, a majority Jewish state, is somehow not relevant is naive at best.
But if you can’t give or won’t give details of what the antisemitism you experience entailed then no-one here can really say whether or not bystanders should have intervened. I hope the police get you some sort of resolution.

Agree.

IMO, Zionists should live in Israel. But many don't. There are celeb Brit Zionists who are not shy about wanting the Palestinians out. In the same way there are Brit Jews who are appalled by the destruction.

No it is not fatuous to argue otherwise. Should we just ignore the atrocities they are committing because it might offend citizens of Israel and those who support the Israeli government? Because it doesn’t work that way. We can’t give one country a free pass to do what it likes without criticism. It’s really dangerous to suggest that we should.

No, but it is apparently now illegal?