To think there are very few allies against Anti-Semitism?

I'm sorry you experienced anti-semitism, and I'm sorry this thread has derailed.

It's so important to remember that not all Jewish people are israeli or pro-israel. And we can be anti-israel and pro-Jewish. I'm for a free Palestine but they are seperate conversations, and anti-semitism as a phrase has absolutely been used in the wrong context so often recently that serious incidents such as yours, OP, are overlooked.

Okay. Let's say that:

• the Conservative Party believed that Northern Ireland should remain part of the UK.

• Reform wanted the UK to annex Ireland.

• Labour supported Irish reunification, such that the UK would become the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Scotland.

Would you feel comfortable in saying they share a "UKism" manifesto, because they are a political movement that all agree to some extent, that the UK should continue to exist?

If so, sure, I guess, modern Zionism is a similar political movement with a similar manifesto. I don't see how thats helpful, though.

Agree with this.

I’m really sorry this happened to you and your children.
i don’t understand why people are anti semetic. I don’t understand why people are racist. It saddens me that this is the world we live in and I wish I had the power to change things for the better. Please know you are not alone op x

You have just contradicted yourself by saying there isn’t a political manifesto, but rather many political manifestos due to divergent groups of self professed Zionists in addition to the original, largest and official World Zionist Organisation.

Zionism is a political movement. Every political movement has political manifestos and other creeds that go along with and evolve as the movement evolves and responds to current events- including the formation of splinter groups and ideological splits.

Thank you for supporting my point that Zionism and the actions done in the name of Zionism are varied, do not always align coherently with professed values and, furthermore, that Zionism is not just the belief in the right of Jews to self rule and self determination in Israel per comedycook’s over simplification.

There, quite obviously, is not a political manifesto for Zionism, or there would not be divergent groups of Zionists, with different philosophies, beliefs and aims.

Wiki intro: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism

The WZO is not the gatekeeper of the term, and not all Zionists would accept every aspect of its program.

In any event, the program as expressed does not say "must support Netanyahu and his government's actions" so I'm not sure I understand what point you are trying to make.

Yes, and they tried to replace Christian festivals with pagan Nazi ones, like the Winter Festival.

Well they claimed to be although some in the leadership believed in some weird mysticism and astrology, including Hitler and Himmler. But yes many pogroms and expulsions of Jews have been carried out by Christians. And christians do not see Jews as gods chosen people.

The Nazis were Christians.

They weren't, specifically. And there was that fascination with esotericism and Eastern religions, including the Swastika stuff.

No, they were pagans. They considered Christianity to be weak and Judeo centric. Christian Protestant churches were brought under the control of the Reichs church. They failed to dismantle Christianity.

The Nazis were Christians.

IMO, Zionists should live in Israel. But many don't.

Could you even imagine saying that about any other group? Because it honestly sounds no different to me than any other "send them back to where they came from" rhetoric.

@Longingdreamer I'm sorry this has happened to you. Try to find the Christians if possible. Many of us recognise the Jews as God's chosen people.

What do you mean by pro-Pal antisemites?

There are no fewer EDL types now. Indeed the racist, Antisemetic, bigoted, EDL types are a growing demographic.

No I don't think that. Do you think that Palestine should be recognised as a Sovereign State?

I don’t feel safe wearing my Jewish star anymore. Without it people on the street would have no idea I’m Jewish. With it I’m a symbol and I had several uncomfortable reactions that made me exhausted or frightened or angry. I cannot live at that level of anxiety every day and I worry I couldn’t protect my children if something happened. I feel very guilty for taking advantage of my privilege to choose whether or not I present Jewish.

in summary it’s not safe. Whatever anyone thinks about foreign wars or history or Zionism or not, it’s not right that my children and I (and the OP’s family) live in this sort of fear. And it’s not just about Israel, this is just the catalyst and an excuse. Every single generation has this story and I’m so very fed up to know that it’s going on and on forever.

My great grandparents fled the pogroms in Russia and Ukraine, my grandparents had rocks thrown at them on their way to school while their cousins died in Europe, my parents weren’t allowed to join the local country club, I had pennies thrown at me and horrible things written on my desk at school, my daughter had a boy shove her in the hallway yelling ‘free Palestine’ while she cried. It just goes on and on forever.

Ah OP, I am so sorry that this happened to you, and that this thread went the predictable way. FWIW, I believe you.

I have almost given up contributing to these threads. I'm a knackered, cynical descendant of Holocaust survivors, a Zionist who believes Netanyahu should rot behind bars, and someone who is constantly amazed by the level of public ignorance about Jews, Israel, the Holocaust, Zionism and antisemitism.

Jews are a tiny community in the UK, and most people simply don't see antisemitism in action. That doesn't mean it's not happening. So people, please stop relying on the evidence of your own eyes and do some research! Learn something!

The WZO says Zionism means agreement with its entire platform, the Jerusalem Program.

Here is an English version
https://www.wzo.org.il/page/extraordinary-congress/jerusalem-program/en

So you have never been to Israel and don’t think there is any political “manifesto” for Zionism? Seriously? You have never heard of the WZO’s platform titled the Jerusalem Program (latest edition February 2024) and how agreement on all of the points is required for membership as a Zionist of the WZO?

Again, Zionism (in the modern age) means believing in the continued existence of a Jewish state (usually, within the historic region of Palestine).

That is how most of the world uses the term.

I think Hamas missed that memo

I'm not saying Jewish people don't experience racism it's purely that in London I have never noticed Jews. Surely it's better to ask so I know. There is nothing 'dark' about not noticing a woman is wearing a wig which is what a PP said singles woman out.