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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

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ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
FurForksSake · 23/07/2025 18:09

Is she looking for an admin job? I imagine that market is pretty dead.

with the Citroen I have seen things about other companies in the group being able to help or being able to have the part replaced with one from another model. More research needed maybe. She could start by ringing all the Stellantis garages locally to see if they ca. help.

4forksache · 23/07/2025 18:07

Has she got any savings? Can she do a bit of travelling for a month or two so she can say she was travelling to explain her gap in cv?

IberianBlackout · 23/07/2025 18:05

@Idontpostmuch but by that logic no one would get any job ever if there’s more than one applicant.

I honestly don’t believe she couldn’t find anything minimum wage. She lives with family and is presumably available for most hours and shift patterns. It’s down to whether or not she’ll want less than ideal jobs.

DD 20 was hellbent on getting a remote job and tried for months, even though she didn’t really have any relevant qualifications to remote positions. After 6 long months finally gave up, found an hospitality job almost straight away.

The job market is shit at the moment, but there’s still jobs, they’re just poorly paid and not that great.

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 18:04

So are we! She has work experience in big firms in London though so we think they probably aren’t considering her as they know she won’t stay in the role for long. She’s been applying for any and all admin roles at much lower wages than she was on.

Sorry she had 3 interviews (2 she got to 3rd/4th stage) and another one last week, still waiting to hear about that one. That doesn’t start until mid September though.

Her previous roles were quite niche though and really only in London so not sure if that put employers off. She hasn’t put role she was fired from on CV but when she was looking again in London from early last month and by then it was showing 6 months unemployed so again wondering if that was too long a gap as they want people in continuous employment.

She has done cover letters tailoring experience to applications but we thought it might be an AI thing as well. She’s going to see if she can run her CV through AI and see what it’s picking up.

She gets calls from agencies all the time saying they may have a job for her but then nothing.

She has worked continuously since she was 16 before this while at college and Uni as well. Now 25.

Additionally her car is off the road as it’s one of the Citroen recalls and she can’t get an appointment for new airbags until October. I think that tipped her over the edge and now this which was her own stupid fault but totally disproportionate IMO. It’s not like she wasn’t applying for jobs in that time.

Small amount of savings are gone now and she was living with ex boyfriend in a rented house so no disposable income, until middle of last year, so didn’t have much anyway.

OP posts:
Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 17:51

IberianBlackout · 23/07/2025 17:41

There’s a lot going on here.

First, adult, but how adult? 19? 20? 30? Although even if she was 19, why on earth would you go with her take care of her affairs? Are you going to tag along to the interviews too? It’s giving over-involved.

Secondly, I have a very hard time believing she can’t find any jobs. It doesn’t mean it will be the job she personally wants, but something to keep her earning and ticking along wouldn’t be a bad idea.

And finally… resilience. I honestly think young people nowadays are simply not taught or even expected to develop resilience. Life is hard and you’ll have to hear many things you dislike, including a gross manager making stupid remarks at your brand new job.

Shouldn't be hard to see why she can't find any job. For every job going there is more than one applicant. That's the case for cleaners and baristas as much as for jobs relevant to office jobs.

Jollyhockeystickss · 23/07/2025 17:49

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:36

i am not denying she is at fault for not attending the appointment! Her mental health is shot and she is struggling to get up so spends most of the day in bed. Sleeping for 14-16 hours of the day.

The point I made about the appointment not being helpful was about even the job centre are saying they don’t know what happening with jobs at the moment.

Is sanctioning her so she hasn’t got enough even for basic living requirements, for ONE missed appointment, not extreme though?

£7 for a whole month.

That is the point of this thread.

She wont get a job if shes asleep, you said shes applied for 1500 jobs that means she would be applying for 7 jobs a day since xmas!

Jollyhockeystickss · 23/07/2025 17:46

She doesnt need money shes living with you, if shes applied for 1500 jobs she needs to do her applications better, and yes if she misses an appointment she will be sanctioned, has she gone in all the local shops , cafes etc herself handing out her CV, if places keep getting rid of her she is doing something wrong, it is hard and im sure she will get there

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 17:46

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 15:36

No, "we" are suggesting it because OP said her DD's MH is "on the floor" (and it seems to be for good reason). No-one with good MH sleeps for 14-16hrs a day.

People with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sometimes sleep as much or more. Some can barely sleep at all. The girl in question might have another condition together with Depression.

Robin67 · 23/07/2025 17:45

I am sorry. It sounds like a lot of awful things have happened in a short time frame. I am not surprised she is down. I hope that she catches a break soon.

Grapewrath · 23/07/2025 17:43

When you claim UC you make an agreement to stick to your commitments- one of which is going to appointments and telling them of any changes.
If DD is unwell she should’ve informed UC and got a fit note from the GP. It’s really that ridiculous- people need to turn up to planned appointments if they want to receive benefits

IberianBlackout · 23/07/2025 17:42

Also if you don’t know why she missed the appointment you’re not in a position to complain.

IberianBlackout · 23/07/2025 17:41

There’s a lot going on here.

First, adult, but how adult? 19? 20? 30? Although even if she was 19, why on earth would you go with her take care of her affairs? Are you going to tag along to the interviews too? It’s giving over-involved.

Secondly, I have a very hard time believing she can’t find any jobs. It doesn’t mean it will be the job she personally wants, but something to keep her earning and ticking along wouldn’t be a bad idea.

And finally… resilience. I honestly think young people nowadays are simply not taught or even expected to develop resilience. Life is hard and you’ll have to hear many things you dislike, including a gross manager making stupid remarks at your brand new job.

Elsvieta · 23/07/2025 17:39

Don't go with her, to complain or for anything else; she has to learn to take responsibility for herself. She won't improve her attitude while you keep snowploughing. And maybe don't believe absolutely everything she tells you. People don't get fired after three days when they've done nothing wrong. I know you mean well, but until she actually feels the consequences of her actions, she won't change. Try to help her figure out what's wrong with her applications (2 interviews from 1500 applications means something is), but other than that, step back.

hannonle · 23/07/2025 17:33

I'm really surprised that she can't pick up a job in a care home or pub/restaurant to tide her over.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 17:33

CurlyhairedAssassin · 23/07/2025 16:45

You wouldn't be helping her if you try to "rescue her" from this situation. She is spending most of her time in bed - she can't expect to get paid for doing that. It's why they have these sanctions, to try to kickstart some motivation into people. I get that she's very down at the moment but she'll just have to pull herself by her bootstraps and go and sort it herself - that alone will give her some self-respect and let her feel more in control of her life.

Why wasn't she happy in her previous role before the one she was let go from? It would be very unusual for an employer to do that to someone after only 3 days. What exactly WAS the real issue? Not being a good fit usually means something.

If you'd read all of OP's posts you'd know the answers to your questions.

OP told us in her third post about her DD's previous role in London:
"She was commuting to London working in a corporate role. Had an incident where she was threatened with a knife walking to the underground station (in the financial district!) and another just before that where she was sexually assaulted on a packed train. She decided she didn’t want to travel into London anymore so was looking for local jobs she can just drive to."

and about the job she was let go from after just three days:
"She hadn’t met the MD in new job until starting. It turned out he was a letch and he made a comment about the HR lady getting fatter and more ugly as she walked out of a meeting, and DD said that was really rude. The next morning DD was called in her manager’s office and told she wasn’t a good fit. They gave her a months salary as severance." In other words, she was fired in retribution for calling out the MD's outrageous behaviour.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 23/07/2025 17:32

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 14:14

Ive hears this before but isnt It strange that you have no rights at all within the first two years of the job, then after two years, you magically get rights.

Not really. Have you ever worked somewhere where it's clear within a few weeks that the person you employed is a total waste of space? I have, I work in a school. It's happened more than once. One person was actually absent more than she was in! Her employment was terminated as it was during her probation. She had the gall to request a reference when she applied for a job. Some people are just total idiots and think life owes them a living. Organisations like schools are already strapped for cash, they can't be paying people a salary for not turning up to work.

I've met other people through life too, always in a new job, always complaining that their previous manager was a bully or whatever. Mate, if this is always happening to you, then maybe it's YOU who is the problem.

Employers need rights too, against these complaining, work-shy idiots.

usedtobeaylis · 23/07/2025 17:32

Sanctioning welfare is one of the worst things this pisspot country has done to its own people. Hope she's ok OP.

BabyCatFace · 23/07/2025 17:27

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 15:03

I don’t blame DD at all for what she said. She was used to working in a corporate environment in London where she hadn’t experienced this type of environment and wasn’t expecting it (MD very foul mouthed apparently and was asking her lots of personal questions about having a boyfriend the day she started, HR lady was lovely and her manager seemed professional she said).

I think he was testing her as to whether she’d put up with that behaviour.

It has really knocked her confidence and made her worried about the same thing happening at another job.

The sexual assault was bum groping and trying to touch between her legs. She couldn’t move away so had to wait and get off at an earlier stop. She couldn’t exactly tell who was doing it.

The knife incident was a man pulling a bloody zombie type knife out of his jacket as she was walking towards him. Bloody frightened the life out of her and she immediately ran. Never heard back from police regarding catching it on CCTV. It took her a month to be able to travel into London again and she had to WFH in that time.

She’s just phoned me as she went to the meeting on her own.

The sanction is actually going to be for 45 days so she won’t get any money next month either.

Principles are important but so is being employed and I don't think you should be validating your daughter's behaviour at work. It was a silly act of self sabotage and she needs to learn from it.

justasking111 · 23/07/2025 17:25

My very first job in HR ironically, I got the sack. Was so fed up with the lecherous head of HR I complained at lunch to the MDs secretary. Was fired the next morning.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 23/07/2025 17:25

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:54

Did ppl miss that she was sexually assaulted on a train. Does it only matter when its well off women who are sexually assaulted.

There's probably not one woman who's ever used crowded public transport in London for a few years who HASN'T been sexually assaulted on the train. It's awful and unacceptable but avoiding public transport because of it isn't the answer.

Falseknock · 23/07/2025 17:20

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 17:12

And again… disabilities are taken into account. That poster just wants to stir.

The OP’s daughter doesn’t have any issues. She got felt up on the tube (find me a woman who hasn’t been felt up) and she lost a job (again, plenty people have lost a job). It’s not a reason to say she can’t attend her appointments. And she obviously left it for several weeks before contacting them as the sanction is 45 days.

TBH I don't know why she's on UC she lives at home and has no children. I am going to have to say it she doesn't need UC she needs to get a job. My 17 and 19 year olds both have jobs. Pickers can't be choosers she needs to get a job. I also live in the Southeast of England in a town. I think she is looking for a fancy job. Op needs to kick her ass out the door and find some work.

Work9to5 · 23/07/2025 17:20

1500 applications in 6 months? What has she been applying for. It sounds like she's been just throwing standard CVs out at random. Properly applying for work takes a good bit of effort.

Have the DWP decided she's taking the mickey and not trying?

Do you live somewhere there are agencies that she sign up for?

slashlover · 23/07/2025 17:18

Falseknock · 23/07/2025 17:09

I am assuming she is within working age and possibly works from home. I can't imagine her wanting to wear incontinence pants to an appointment that could be rescheduled. Her health matters more.

I've had a video appointment before when I had a health issue and couldn't go in.

slashlover · 23/07/2025 17:16

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 16:53

I HAVE BOWEL ISSUES I CANT SHIT TO ANY TIMETABLE INCLUDING THEIRS IT WOUUDNT BE ON PURPOSE little miss ableist

They have toilets in job centres.

Alstromeria · 23/07/2025 17:15

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:58

Oh come off it. The "buck your ideas up" attitude towards her on here demonstrates that. Dont be so bloody disingenuous. The assault has been completely glossed over on this thread.

Well she continued to go to work for the next 6 months while she looked for another job and worked out her notice period. Didn't seek help for the SA or report it, as far as we know (OP hasn't mentioned it). Didn't take time off sick as far as we know (OP didn't mention it). Didn't instantly quit because she couldn't face getting on the train again.

So is it relevant to job hunting and difficulty with dealing with UC about a year later after a long unemployment?

If her MH has been on a slow decline then the issue is not one of "UC are awful" but one of "DD needs MH help and signing off sick".

TBH when it comes to benefits, it's my opinion that if you weren't depressed before you started jobseeking and claiming, you soon will be. The system causes so much stress. So I personally don't the situation has all that much to do with the SA.

As an aside OP, DD shouldn't go around telling people she was let go because she "wasn't a good fit". It's basically code for "has a massive attitude problem and lacks interpersonal skills". If she's putting that on her applications as reason for leaving last job, it's no wonder she's not getting interviews.

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