To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

Can you all start a new thread about your adventures in incontinence? Not exactly relevant to the OP’s situation, is it.

I was using it as one example of why people with incontinence do not need to be trapped indoors, nor do they need evacuate their bowels on the chair of the job centre, which is what that poster said she would have to do and I found that far more offensive that talking about aids which allow people to leave the house.

My post was not offensive. You took it the wrong way and can’t simply say, “oops, misunderstood.”

Ah one of these benefit scroungers i read about in the Daily Mail. Mobile 📱 phone! Huh! Except she isn't and they aren't either. This is outrageous of course but the right wing press forget "normal" people run into trouble too.
Ps Don't go in. Just grovel. It's the only way

I didn’t say it was a reason to keep them indoors. I worked as a disability outreach worker for over twenty years - hugely diverse range of disabilities which have incontinence of both bowel and bladder as a symptom. There are many advances in this area and there are different solutions to different problems, rather than just advocating putting on a nappy and sitting in your own shit. I agree this is nothing to do with the OP but I found your post offensive.

Oh for god sake, just stop it.

That poster is trying to use her issues as a reason that UC have been unfair to OP’s daughter. They have not been.

1. if you have a disability, UC make alternative arrangements.

2. the OP’s daughter does not have a disability.

3. if someone with this particular disability did need to do something outside of the house then there are aids which allow for that. It is not awful to say that. It is awful to act as though talking about disability aids is a bad thing.

The cause of the bowel issues has nothing to do with it. In fact, bowel issues have absolutely nothing to do with this thread at all other than that one poster banging on about them.

oh, and the people I worked with had been disabled for a long time. It wasn’t age related. I just happened to work with the elderly, not disabled due to age but just disabled as well as elderly. Some incontinent due to age, most incontinent due to disability. We didn’t use it as a reason to keep them indoors engage we didn’t think it was awful to discuss medical aids.

You raise an eyebrow and you respond to the MD with a non-committal "Well, it's not the words I would choose" and you change the subject. If the rest of the people she worked with were nice, how was she know the MD wasn't going to end up leaving the following year? It's always worth trying to put up with bellends in jobs when you are new, as you don't know the culture of the place yet. I mean, if it rapidly becomes obvious that EVERYONE is a bellend, then yeah, look for a new job straight away.

The purpose of having to attend every single appointment is so they can make sure you're not signing on and working cash in hand on the side. That's why they sanction people for not attending.

But also they usually ask you why you didn't attend and give you a day or so to respond with a valid reason. But you can also write in your journal if you're not going to attend and ask to reschedule if the reason is valid. If the reason is depression she will need a doctor's note.

Bowel issues which are not a natural result of aging are not the same thing. At all.

Of course she can argue MH reasons. It doesn’t imply anything - many people have MH issues and their GP won’t provide them with a fit note, so they have no choice.

And how is any of the relevant to the OP? Or even to UC?

Exemptions and alternatives are made for those with disabilities. You wouldn’t be sanctioned.

The OP’s daughter is not in your situation, at all. This has nothing to do with your needs.

Awful? I’ve worked with a lot of elderly disabled people. It isn’t awful. It allowed them a life outside the home. Which is exactly what they are designed to do. Or do you think they shouldn’t have access to things like that and should stay in?

(and obviously plenty of people with bowel incontinence are not elderly, but I didn’t personally work with them. The same applies though; these items are available to allow some life outside of the home).

What do you mean she doesn’t need money because she’s living with OP ? Do you know whether OP is in a position to cover expenses ? How is she supposed to travel to interviews if she has no money ?

Absolutely. The entire system is designed to break your spirit, compared to the Irish system where they use the carrot not the stick and you are given more time and more help to get back to or into work.

My brother has Downs Syndrome and following covid lockdown restrictions, developed severe agoraphobia and couldn't leave his house (as did many of the service users at his daycentre). It took nearly 8 months of specialist therapy before he was able to travel further than 10 minutes away from the end of his street.

He missed a couple of routine medical/specialist dental/social care appointments, and wasn't able to attend his day centre for about 20 weeks, while he waited for MH input from the NHS learning disability/psychology team.... and the vile nasty threatening letters from social services, the local council etc demanding he be withdrawn from everything for missing appointments and not using the care budget put in place for his care package (because he wasn't going out anymore) were horrific.

Thankfully all documentation is handled by his relatives so he didn't have to see it, but it really made me want to get these fuckers in a room and start knocking teeth out. Absolutely evil.

This country is run by psychopaths, with a framework implemented by psychopaths, and the genuine sufferers are attacked repeatedly until they break. The DWP have driven many people with learning disability, autism, depression, anxiety etc to suicide (see the Kir Featherstone case, just one of 16,000 similar cases in the last 15 years where sanctions killed a vulnerable adult)

What an awful comment - just wear an adult nappy ? Doesn’t stop the smell, and if the faeces is liquid also doesn’t stop it from travelling up your back. Sorry to be blunt, but you sound callous.

There's ways of asking and there's ways of asking. It's blindingly obvious when you're in the receiving end of questioning and the subtext is are you sexually active and will I get thumped by a bloke if I try it on with you by someone senior, who is using their seniority to abuse their power and target someone they view as vulnerable who can't realistically fight back.

The sexual assault was bum groping and trying to touch between her legs. She couldn’t move away so had to wait and get off at an earlier stop. She couldn’t exactly tell who was doing it.

OP if she's able to (I appreciate some people will freeze up) and if it happens again, she needs to grab the wrist and yank the arm in the air whilst shouting "who's hand is this? I found it on my bum!". People will stare and it'll shame the offender. She'll also know who it was because she'll be able to see who is attached to the arm she's holding, so can give a description.

Okay. Well I’ve never said poor people should shop somewhere they can’t afford. I have said people with zero options should laugh politely and move on. Zero luxury in losing your job as OP’s DD found out. So no hypocrisy here.

1500 applications but only 2 interviews. Unfortunately you need to spend all your efforts helping your daughter find work as there is a fundamental problem there you’re best putting your effort into resolving

Get her to sign up for an online course so she can say that she was studying for the last six months.

Might it work if she goes self-employed for a while just to get back into company again? She could do tutoring for local kids or cleaning or whatever, just to be out and about in the local area. If she's out meeting people locally she can talk about what's happened and someone might be able to find a vacancy for her.

I dont shop in ethical shops I was pointing out the hypocrisy of a previous post as well you know

I dont go to activities. And im not incontinent I happen to have BAM as i dont have a gall bladder. I havent been to a restaurant for many years. I had to take Imodium just in case, the night before my dads funaral. so that i could attend

People Tree went into administration years ago. It’s now closed down. Shop elsewhere for your ethical clothing needs.

Sorry @ThisIsInsane but she missed the appointment and must take the consequences. Or, if she needs the money, there are plenty of domestic cleaning and care jobs which she shoukd be doing whilst looking for work in any event rather than claiming benefits.

As a brand new employee she shouldn't have told the new boss he was rude, whatever he said.

What the feedback from the interviews as to why she wasn’t successful?