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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

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ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 22:19

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 22:05

I think t can be argued though in court.

I just read where a woman in ireland was successful in sueing for unfair dismissal, after just one year's service.

The court found in her favour as the employer had broken loads of normal employment practices. He refused to give her a payslip, was one thing he did wrong, i remember.

So she sued for breach of contract in the county court, which isn't the same as making a claim for Unfair Dismissal at ET.

sunshine244 · 23/07/2025 22:11

Are you perhaps being given false information? It seems strange to be fired within three days. What sort of work was it?

1500 job applications in 7 months is about 7 per day. But she's sleeping a large chunk of the day. This is either untrue, or she's rushing through applications. It takes me several hours to apply for a job properly usually. If there are complicated statements to write it can be more.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 22:05

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 22:03

You don't have the right to bring an Unfair Dismissal claim to ET until you have two years continuous service - not merely after you've passed your probationary period which is typically only three months.

I think t can be argued though in court.

I just read where a woman in ireland was successful in sueing for unfair dismissal, after just one year's service.

The court found in her favour as the employer had broken loads of normal employment practices. He refused to give her a payslip, was one thing he did wrong, i remember.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 22:03

Namechangerage · 23/07/2025 21:23

Because everyone knows you don’t call out the big boss who does the hiring and firing while you are so new and can be sacked. How did it stop him doing it? It didn’t, it just meant your DD lost a job.

You play the long game. Or look for other jobs while remaining employed. Once you have passed probation etc and would have a case for unfair dismissal you try reporting it having gathered examples of the inappropriate behaviour.

You don't have the right to bring an Unfair Dismissal claim to ET until you have two years continuous service - not merely after you've passed your probationary period which is typically only three months.

LookingAtMyBhunas · 23/07/2025 21:59

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 21:56

The UK can do better than 7 pounds a month. No one should be sanctioned to the point they cant live.

For God's sake, she CAN live.
She lives at home with presumably everything paid should she be sanctioned.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 21:56

LookingAtMyBhunas · 23/07/2025 21:52

Sweden also have one of the highest tax brackets in Europe, if not the world, to pay for this and other (very worthy) things they do.

The UK cannot continue this way.

The UK can do better than 7 pounds a month. No one should be sanctioned to the point they cant live.

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:54

Rosscameasdoody · 23/07/2025 21:47

I worked with long term unemployed disabled people for many years and some of my clients were bladder or bowel incontinent or had stomas. Several described having very public accidents while at work, being sent home and then having to come in the following day to face the people who witnessed their embarrassment. Very, very difficult.

It's sad that anyone should feel embarrassed in such a situation. The problem is society's reaction to body matters.

LookingAtMyBhunas · 23/07/2025 21:52

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 20:19

So nasty.

Other countries like Sweden give every unemployed person 80 percent of their last job income.

The UK is very bad in this area.

Sweden also have one of the highest tax brackets in Europe, if not the world, to pay for this and other (very worthy) things they do.

The UK cannot continue this way.

LookingAtMyBhunas · 23/07/2025 21:50

No way is she applying for that many jobs when you say she sleeps 16 hours a day.

Rosscameasdoody · 23/07/2025 21:47

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:40

@JenniferBooth You seem brave, but have you ever had a disaster in public, with teenagers laughing at you? It then becomes harder.

I worked with long term unemployed disabled people for many years and some of my clients were bladder or bowel incontinent or had stomas. Several described having very public accidents while at work, being sent home and then having to come in the following day to face the people who witnessed their embarrassment. Very, very difficult.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 21:46

@Horserider5678 "Generally if it’s only a few days there’s little or no notice period it would be no more than a week!"
Incorrect. Even with only three days service an employee is entitled to their contractual notice, which was obviously one month in this case because that's what OP's DD's former employer paid her when they dismissed her.

Rachie1973 · 23/07/2025 21:41

RetroViral · 23/07/2025 13:38

OP you need to read up on the government website for UC sanctions because something isn’t right here. They don’t take all your money for one low level offence. You need to appeal.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/universal-credit-sanctions#sanction-levels

Edited

Or they do the maths wrong.

My son was sanctioned, late for appointment due to bus issue on his way back from a job interview (which he got yay)

The maths was completely wrong. They’d worked out a 30 day sanction ‘by accident’.

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:40

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 17:02

You can wear adult incontinence underwear for that. Which I’m sure you do for activities which you want to attend. I worked with the elderly in my previous job, and it’s what they did if they had bowel issues. But UC do actually have contingencies for people with disabilities so they would also work around that.

OP’s daughter doesn’t have these issues though. She agreed to the terms when accepting UC. She needs to attend the meetings rather than lying in bed.

@JenniferBooth You seem brave, but have you ever had a disaster in public, with teenagers laughing at you? It then becomes harder.

Steelworks · 23/07/2025 21:36

MsAdaLovelace · 23/07/2025 19:44

Hello OP,

3 things to do this week :

  • Volunteering
  • Online Course
  • Gym

This will be a good start for your daughter and then she can move forward as I know it is really tough out there.

What are the volunteering opportunities like in your area as I would suggest she gets something ... anything (Oxfam Bookshop, Animal Shelter, Shelter, Save The Children) at least so she can have that on her CV and it will be good for her MH too.

Volunteering looks great on a CV and is a good way to make new contacts too and get your daughter out of bed!

Have a look on your local Council Website for volunteering opportunities too.

Online Courses - there are so many she could do ... what are her interests?

Gym - encourage to go to a gym as again this will be good or her MN, it will get her out of bed and again a great way to make new contacts.

Apologies, have not read the whole thread but will do once I can.

Where in the SE are you ... if you want to share ...

Good luck!

Good advice.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 21:33

Reading this back,

It is sad that a misogynistic boss fired her, when she stood up for another woman.

And she has no power in thst situation whatsoever.

And now it is affecting her getting her next job

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:28

IberianBlackout · 23/07/2025 18:05

@Idontpostmuch but by that logic no one would get any job ever if there’s more than one applicant.

I honestly don’t believe she couldn’t find anything minimum wage. She lives with family and is presumably available for most hours and shift patterns. It’s down to whether or not she’ll want less than ideal jobs.

DD 20 was hellbent on getting a remote job and tried for months, even though she didn’t really have any relevant qualifications to remote positions. After 6 long months finally gave up, found an hospitality job almost straight away.

The job market is shit at the moment, but there’s still jobs, they’re just poorly paid and not that great.

No, by that logic lots of applicants are turned down each time and one is lucky. It's perfectly possible to keep being one of the unsuccessful applicants.

LittlleMy · 23/07/2025 21:27

RosesAndHellebores · 23/07/2025 18:11

Sorry @ThisIsInsane but she missed the appointment and must take the consequences. Or, if she needs the money, there are plenty of domestic cleaning and care jobs which she shoukd be doing whilst looking for work in any event rather than claiming benefits.

As a brand new employee she shouldn't have told the new boss he was rude, whatever he said.

Edited

Have to agree. A few years ago now but I worked as an Employment Advisor at a Jobcentre and there will be entry level service/caring/cleaning jobs - if not any entry level data entry/admin/receptionist style jos. Not ideal but the best interim measure to stop that gap wining in her CV and at least money will be coming in and her mental health will hopefully improve with it.

As for the comment to her boss, you say she did nothing wrong but have to disagree. It’s not her fight, surely at 25 she should know some basic common sense etiquette. She should have just said nothing. In time, once she’s established herself, she may be in a position to perhaps safely challenge such incidences.

Also, I wouldn’t go into the job centres with DD to complain - the rules are the rules and DD can appeal if she has cause to. However, it may help if you went to support her and perhaps ask Qs about the job searching and possible opps as right now you only have what your DD tells you and you may have a different interpretation of their advice. When I worked there, there were always schemes and placements with jobs attached and other initiatives ongoing.

Soontobe60 · 23/07/2025 21:27

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:36

i am not denying she is at fault for not attending the appointment! Her mental health is shot and she is struggling to get up so spends most of the day in bed. Sleeping for 14-16 hours of the day.

The point I made about the appointment not being helpful was about even the job centre are saying they don’t know what happening with jobs at the moment.

Is sanctioning her so she hasn’t got enough even for basic living requirements, for ONE missed appointment, not extreme though?

£7 for a whole month.

That is the point of this thread.

You’re contradicting yourself - you say she’s applied for over 1500 jobs since Christmas - that’s approx 20 a day not including weekends, and yet here you’re saying she doesn’t get out of bed sleeping for 14-16 hours a day.
Ultimately, she didn’t attend her appointment, didn’t cancel or reschedule, just didn’t show up. I’m not sure why you think she should be receiving UC as she is giving off no signs that she wants to work.

Namechangerage · 23/07/2025 21:25

Tiredofallthis101 · 23/07/2025 21:22

I wonder if your DD might do better to apply to far fewer jobs but with a more tailored application. I know you said she did tailored cover letters but I find a really good job application requires quite a bit of time spent reading about the employer, the job, useful facts/background/latest news in the field etc. Maybe if she does some research like that it could help her to stand out a bit more? Has she asked for feedback from any of the rejectors to find out what went wrong?

Yes I do agree with this. A job application took me about 3 full evenings recently.

Namechangerage · 23/07/2025 21:23

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 18:11

She didn’t do anything wrong. She was put on the spot and reacted normally as most people would have done, when she wasn’t expecting to have to react to a comment like that! She had spent a bit of time with the HR lady who was doing her induction (very small company) and had said she was lovely.

What do you think was wrong with her attitude?

Because everyone knows you don’t call out the big boss who does the hiring and firing while you are so new and can be sacked. How did it stop him doing it? It didn’t, it just meant your DD lost a job.

You play the long game. Or look for other jobs while remaining employed. Once you have passed probation etc and would have a case for unfair dismissal you try reporting it having gathered examples of the inappropriate behaviour.

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:23

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 18:11

She didn’t do anything wrong. She was put on the spot and reacted normally as most people would have done, when she wasn’t expecting to have to react to a comment like that! She had spent a bit of time with the HR lady who was doing her induction (very small company) and had said she was lovely.

What do you think was wrong with her attitude?

Actually, people do get fired when they've done nothing wrong. Happens all the time.

Tiredofallthis101 · 23/07/2025 21:22

I wonder if your DD might do better to apply to far fewer jobs but with a more tailored application. I know you said she did tailored cover letters but I find a really good job application requires quite a bit of time spent reading about the employer, the job, useful facts/background/latest news in the field etc. Maybe if she does some research like that it could help her to stand out a bit more? Has she asked for feedback from any of the rejectors to find out what went wrong?

newhouseplans · 23/07/2025 21:19

YANBU.

Universal Credit was set up to punish people.

People have been sanctioned for missing appointments while having operations, or interviews or after having informed them in the proper way that they can't make the meeting. It's particularly difficult for people who are unwell due to physical or mental ill health.

And yes, those who don't have other support do fall through the cracks. Anyone here who thinks it's ok to give someone £7 a week to live on needs to have a word with themselves. How are they meant to survive? (Some don't).

Amnesty International recently described our benefits system as "Consciously Cruel” and “Ruining Lives”. They've published a report that says

The evidence delivers damning conclusions on how the system processes, punishes, harms and dehumanises people and fails to meet international legal obligations. Successive UK governments have ignored the United Nations (UN) pleas to take urgent action to fix this.

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/uk-social-security-system-%E2%80%9Cconsciously-cruel%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cruining-lives%E2%80%9D-finds-amnesty-uk

Rosscameasdoody · 23/07/2025 21:17

Horserider5678 · 23/07/2025 20:51

Generally if it’s only a few days there’s little or no notice period it would be no more than a week!
Absolutely she should not lie, if it was discovered the sanction would be far worse as she will have committed fraud!

This. Some posters have little or no idea what actually constitutes benefit fraud.

BlueSeagull · 23/07/2025 21:15

Calling the MD rude regardless to if he was was a bold move on her 3rd day. Not surprising they let her probably thought rightly or wrongly she was going to cause issues in the future.

Should he have said it of course not but it’s not a perfect world and you have to choose battles wisely at work.

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