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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

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ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
Steelworks · 24/07/2025 09:30

The cvs do contain work experience, but rather than just listing them, they have alot more detail.

Old:
1980 - 1983 - Grange Hill bank - manager
1983 - 1985 - Walford bank - senior manager

The experience would be in the covering letter.

New
1980 - 1983 -Grange Hill bank - manager

  • responsible for running and managing the bank
  • recruitment and training of new employees
  • developed links with local schools
  • increased turnover by 35%
  • won 1981 regional manager of the year

1983 -1985 Walford bank manager - senior manager

  • youngest senior bank manager in company
  • etc
My dp is currently looking for work, and with indeed and LinkedIn, you do just submit your cv by clicking the link. It’s too easy, and hence vacancies are getting 50- 100 applicants with 48 hours of jobs going live. We’re talking about more senior positions as well, not your minimum wage jobs.
RetroViral · 24/07/2025 09:29

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 15:41

The sexist MD has arrived!! Thankfully the Transport Police wouldnt agree with you. The OPS DD was the victim of a crime. What an appalling attitude and i bet you wouldnt be saying the same if OPs DD wasnt claiming benefits Poorer women and girls are seen as fair game

Not going to a UC appointment because someone touched your bum on the tube but you didn’t see who it was?

limescale · 24/07/2025 08:52

Steelworks · 24/07/2025 06:33

I agree. Applying for jobs has changed. You see a job, click, and send your cv. Covering letters are rarely needed either.

op - is your daughter’s cv a modern cv, with strengths, experiences etc, rather than a list previous employment, which was the cv of the past?

I think this very much depends on the type of job you are applying to.
I have never applied for a job by just clicking and sending my generic CV.
All require a covering letter and all require me to tailor my cv for the job I am applying for.
I cannot imagine applying for a job w/o telling the prospective employer about my previous employment. Surely previous employment is your experience.

sunshine244 · 24/07/2025 07:59

Steelworks · 24/07/2025 06:33

I agree. Applying for jobs has changed. You see a job, click, and send your cv. Covering letters are rarely needed either.

op - is your daughter’s cv a modern cv, with strengths, experiences etc, rather than a list previous employment, which was the cv of the past?

Not in my recent experience of job hunting and then helping with a recruitment procedure. I'd say 50% of applications were CV plus either a covering letter or personal statement that needed to be tailored to the job specification (ones that aren't are sifted out straight away without even looking at CV). Other half were long application forms - also including personal statements.

The job market has got much more competitive so it's better to apply for less jobs but more carefully.

SouthernNights59 · 24/07/2025 07:28

Idontpostmuch · 23/07/2025 21:28

No, by that logic lots of applicants are turned down each time and one is lucky. It's perfectly possible to keep being one of the unsuccessful applicants.

I spent some time job hunting a few years ago, but I didn't spend my days in bed while I was waiting to be granted an interview. I signed on with a temp agency and did all sorts of work while I was job seeking. That's the sort of thing that people who are serious about finding a job do.

Steelworks · 24/07/2025 06:33

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:49

You can easily do it on indeed. You save your cv and then just click quickly on loads of jobs

I agree. Applying for jobs has changed. You see a job, click, and send your cv. Covering letters are rarely needed either.

op - is your daughter’s cv a modern cv, with strengths, experiences etc, rather than a list previous employment, which was the cv of the past?

IberianBlackout · 24/07/2025 05:23

@Flumpflimpo do you have a link to back up that example you kept mentioning? “I’ve heard of” isn’t proof of anything.

AngelicKaty · 24/07/2025 00:10

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:59

As i already said if you bothered to read the thread, i know of an employer that was sued for something similiar, and the employee won.

So you dont know more than everyone else.

Miss high and mighty that you are.

I was an HR professional for one of the oil majors for a number of years and then volunteered as an adviser for Citizens Advice for 10 years. I don't know more than everyone else, but I absolutely know more than you.
Anyone can say "I know of an employer ..." - that's about as reliable as you claiming an Irish woman sued for unfair dismissal when she actually sued for breach of contract which is wrongful dismissal, so just give me the name of the case (employee? v employer?) and I'll read the judgment for myself.

WaryCrow · 24/07/2025 00:06

You’re not wrong in that it’s a bloody hard time for youngsters. In that golden 30 years of the post war period when Britain was so much poorer than today and all the boomers had their hard luck stories made, benefits were given out at need, no questions asked and no sanctions, with council housing available. Britain is a bloody shit country now, absolutely shit to its people. However that will not help you right now - follow the legal advice and get your dd to apologie and follow all procedures correctly from now on.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:59

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:57

I'm not being nasty - I'm making a statement of fact which is that you clearly know nothing about employment law and even though I have been politely correcting you on the law for a while now, you keep arguing with me, so I've run out of patience with you.

As i already said if you bothered to read the thread, i know of an employer that was sued for something similiar, and the employee won.

So you dont know more than everyone else.

Miss high and mighty that you are.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:57

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:28

Jesus.

What is wrong with you. Why are you being so nasty?

I was trying to help the OP.

Couldnt you just correct me on something in the law, if it needs to be corrected,

Instead of writing very nastily

"it's clear she doesn't know anything about employment law"

Edited

I'm not being nasty - I'm making a statement of fact which is that you clearly know nothing about employment law and even though I have been politely correcting you on the law for a while now, you keep arguing with me, so I've run out of patience with you.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:49

Ladyzfactor · 23/07/2025 23:47

The daughter is lying. She's depressed so I do understand but it physically not possible to apply to that many jobs.

You can easily do it on indeed. You save your cv and then just click quickly on loads of jobs

Hiptothisjive · 23/07/2025 23:48

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:03

Yep. That’s how many she’s applied for. Over 1000 just on Indeed.

Job centre has said her CV is great and there’s nothing more they can suggest. Cannot direct to any other jobs. Same thing every time she goes in.

She was commuting to London working in a corporate role. Had an incident where she was threatened with a knife walking to the underground station (in the financial district!) and another just before that where she was sexually assaulted on a packed train. She decided she didn’t want to travel into London anymore so was looking for local jobs she can just drive to.

The one she got waited two months for her notice period. She trained her replacement so couldn’t ask for her old job back. She hadn’t met the MD in new job until starting. It turned out he was a letch and he made a comment about the HR lady getting fatter and more ugly as she walked out of a meeting, and DD said that was really rude. The next morning DD was called in her manager’s office and told she wasn’t a good fit. They gave her a months salary as severance.

She has gone back to looking for roles in London again out of desperation. Got to 3rd and 4th interview state but not successful.

Only think we can see, is she moved company 6 months before she decided to get out of London and now obviously she has a long gap on CV.

She worked in a corporate role but doesn’t understand you aren’t going to get a similar job from Indeed? Thats your problem to start:

Ladyzfactor · 23/07/2025 23:47

HelloGreen · 23/07/2025 12:50

1500 job applications since Christmas is insane. Am I wrong that that’s over 200 a month (250?) and 8ish a day seven days a week?!

She can’t be tailoring her application each time.

I’d suggest she does far fewer but puts a lot more time/effort into each one. One or two a week with lots of care over it/them.

Edited

The daughter is lying. She's depressed so I do understand but it physically not possible to apply to that many jobs.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:47

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:23

Not sure why you quoted me. I know that. That’s what I just said?

She also is not referring to gender reassignment. That’s the closest match to the word she has used, but that’s absolutely not what she was meaning when she said it.

She thinks she was talking about sex discrimination. She wasn’t. She was talking about something that doesn’t exist. But she absolutely did not mean gender reassignment. I doubt she even knew that was a separate protected characteristic.

Edited

Indeed, and I could have said the same to you when you quoted me i.e. "I know that" but I chose to be polite and explain further what I believed she was trying to say even though she was getting it horribly wrong. I actually think you and I agree i.e. that she was incorrectly referring to gender discrimination when she meant sex discrimination (even though sex discrimination doesn't apply to this case either).

Hiptothisjive · 23/07/2025 23:46

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:36

i am not denying she is at fault for not attending the appointment! Her mental health is shot and she is struggling to get up so spends most of the day in bed. Sleeping for 14-16 hours of the day.

The point I made about the appointment not being helpful was about even the job centre are saying they don’t know what happening with jobs at the moment.

Is sanctioning her so she hasn’t got enough even for basic living requirements, for ONE missed appointment, not extreme though?

£7 for a whole month.

That is the point of this thread.

OP you post kinda doesn’t make sense and I get thr feeling there is a lot more to this story. You say your daughter is in bed for up to 16 hours a day. That gives her eight hours. Some of that will be eating, showering etc and yet she is applying for 9/10 jobs a day and has applied for over 1500 jobs. But she has missed more than one appointment? You may not like it but as others have said I’m she has missed appointments and has been sanctioned. You say she doesn’t have any money but she lives at home with you and can’t pay her phone bill. Is that what the money is for? Honestly I think she needs to reevaluate the situation, take responsibility and not have you fight her battles.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:42

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:38

Back in the day you only needed one year's continuous service to qualify for full employment rights in the UK, but this was increased to two years in 2012 (good old Tory government 🙄 ). Labour's new Employment Rights Bill, which is due to become law in April 2026, will remove this two-year qualifying period for protection from unfair dismissal altogether, making it a day one right. 😃

Nice! We should have a day one right.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:41

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:29

But you obviously don’t. It’s not helpful to tell the OP that they could sue. They can’t. It’s not helpful to say they would win at a tribunal. They won’t.

I know someone who just won at an employment tribunal, because her boss said something nasty about her, to someone else.

There were witnesses to what was said, which helped.

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:38

Falseknock · 23/07/2025 22:54

She was only there for 3 days but I have heard that employees will get employee rights from day 1. I don't know when. That's probably why the ops daughter is having difficulties getting another job.

Edited

Back in the day you only needed one year's continuous service to qualify for full employment rights in the UK, but this was increased to two years in 2012 (good old Tory government 🙄 ). Labour's new Employment Rights Bill, which is due to become law in April 2026, will remove this two-year qualifying period for protection from unfair dismissal altogether, making it a day one right. 😃

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:33

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:29

But you obviously don’t. It’s not helpful to tell the OP that they could sue. They can’t. It’s not helpful to say they would win at a tribunal. They won’t.

I think im right actually.

Ive heard of employers being sued for saying less.

My last workplace got sued for something similiar

The only issue in this instance, is that there is no witness and no proof

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:29

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:28

Jesus.

What is wrong with you. Why are you being so nasty?

I was trying to help the OP.

Couldnt you just correct me on something in the law, if it needs to be corrected,

Instead of writing very nastily

"it's clear she doesn't know anything about employment law"

Edited

But you obviously don’t. It’s not helpful to tell the OP that they could sue. They can’t. It’s not helpful to say they would win at a tribunal. They won’t.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:28

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:13

No, I've already explained to her that she meant sex discrimination, not gender discrimination - see my comment to her at 22:53hrs above. She also doesn't know the difference between unfair dismissal and wrongful dismissal, which I've also explained to her - see my comment at 22:39hrs on the previous page.
It's clear she doesn't know anything about employment law.

Jesus.

What is wrong with you. Why are you being so nasty?

I was trying to help the OP.

Couldnt you just correct me on something in the law, if it needs to be corrected,

Instead of writing very nastily

"it's clear she doesn't know anything about employment law"

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:27

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:26

I doubt that he would have said it to a man!

She told the OP that the boss was known to be like that. She heard around the office that he was known to behave that way. So… he would have said it to a man.

She would not win a sex discrimination case. She would lose money.

Flumpflimpo · 23/07/2025 23:26

AnneLovesGilbert · 23/07/2025 23:09

Gender is not a protected characteristic. And has been explained to you, he made a comment about a third party’s weight which he’d probably have said to a man as much as a woman. Given your lack of understanding of the laws around these things I’d stop sounding so sure of what’s possible.

I doubt that he would have said it to a man!

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 23:23

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 23:13

No, I've already explained to her that she meant sex discrimination, not gender discrimination - see my comment to her at 22:53hrs above. She also doesn't know the difference between unfair dismissal and wrongful dismissal, which I've also explained to her - see my comment at 22:39hrs on the previous page.
It's clear she doesn't know anything about employment law.

Not sure why you quoted me. I know that. That’s what I just said?

She also is not referring to gender reassignment. That’s the closest match to the word she has used, but that’s absolutely not what she was meaning when she said it.

She thinks she was talking about sex discrimination. She wasn’t. She was talking about something that doesn’t exist. But she absolutely did not mean gender reassignment. I doubt she even knew that was a separate protected characteristic.

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