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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

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ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 12:50

MsAdaLovelace · 24/07/2025 12:48

I really wish that MN had a FCK OFF or a STOP BEING A CNT react button/widget (apologies not too sure what they are called) at times!

And I wish it had a get a grip button. A lot of people on here need to here that and should have been told that a long time ago.

MsAdaLovelace · 24/07/2025 12:48

I really wish that MN had a FCK OFF or a STOP BEING A CNT react button/widget (apologies not too sure what they are called) at times!

Perhapsanothertime · 24/07/2025 12:46

Get her onto civil service jobs and apply for some of those. Decent salary, great pension, usually lots of options.

Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 12:44

Maybe the OP daughter would be able to stand on her own two feet a little if the OP backed off!

MsAdaLovelace · 24/07/2025 12:43

@Lemonysnipit @Mayanatalia

Have sent you both DMs as I do not want to derail from the OP's thread but I did want to say bravo for sending such great replies to the OP (@ThisIsInsane).

I hope that the OP's daughter takes you both up on your kind offer of advice as your replies definitely warmed the cockles!

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usernamealreadytaken · 24/07/2025 12:41

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:37

I've worked with clients with mental health issues for almost 2 decades. I've seen first hand how utterly life destroying severe anxiety, depression and PTSD can be. Your glib attitude is ill-informed and frankly insulting.

Anxiety is an awful lot more than just being a bit worried or uneasy: it can be utterly paralysing, render people unable to speak coherently etc. Similarly, clinical depression is not just being fed up. It can rob people of the ability to motivate themselves to do the most basic things, like eat, bath or shower and dress themselves. I've supported clients who are so shut down by their depression that they can barely speak.

And as for PTSD, the sheer terror sufferers experience when something triggers a PTSD flashback can be impossible to overcome. One of my clients now has a physical disability after being hit by a car when their PTSD was triggered by the loud bang and crash of something being unloaded by a lorry and they bolted across the road, another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

All my clients would love to be free of their mental health conditions and able to live a normal life, but they can't. MH services are shockingly under-resourced, many go months without seeing a psychiatrist, the waiting list for things like EMDR therapy are endless and for many conditions there is no meaningful treatment.

My DB is bipolar. The only medication that controls it effectively is a 4-weekly depot injection (aripiprazole) that renders him zombie-like for 7-10 days after he's had it and starts to wear off about 10 days later so that he gradually becomes more manic and delusional. What employer would keep someone in a job who's only capable of working for a week or two out of four?

The ignorance and prejudice some people on here display about mental illness is so appalling that I come close to hoping that they'll experience it for themselves sometimes.

I've personally experienced depression and anxiety, and lived around mental health issues all my life ("D"F had paranoid schizophrenia and addiction as well as other issues). DH has PTSD, DS1 has depression, DS2 has a disabling condition and ADHD and guess what - every single one of us drags our arses out of bed every morning and goes to work. I am aware that everybody is different and deals with stuff differently, but those of us with direct experience also have the right to put our tuppence worth in and tell OP's DD to get a fucking grip and stop lounging in bed at our expense.

Getting so sick of every single person who feels a bit sad self-diagnosing with something which is actually a serious and can be a debilitating condition. Kids need to build resilience, not be mollycoddled.

Perhaps your clients are all genuinely suffering from debilitating MH issues, but if you believe that every single person who claims to be suffering similarly is genuine, then perhaps you're in the wrong profession or living in cloud cuckoo land.

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 12:37

IleftmybaginNewportPagnell · 24/07/2025 12:09

Sorry to hear about your brother, I had an elderly neighbour on the same 4-weekly medication, I did his shopping and it was difficult and upsetting the nearer it got to the injection, then sad for a few days when he was “too” calm. A lot of other neighbours steered clear but perhaps didn’t know the full story.

That is so sad. What a lovely person you are to have helped him out. ❤️

Nasrine · 24/07/2025 12:36

The number of people on this thread who genuinely don't understand the impact of severe mental illness is depressing.

Nasrine · 24/07/2025 12:34

UC sanctions drive people into crime, mental illness and drive women into sex work.

Nobody should be left without enough money to feed themselves or attend job interviews. Nobody.

IleftmybaginNewportPagnell · 24/07/2025 12:09

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:37

I've worked with clients with mental health issues for almost 2 decades. I've seen first hand how utterly life destroying severe anxiety, depression and PTSD can be. Your glib attitude is ill-informed and frankly insulting.

Anxiety is an awful lot more than just being a bit worried or uneasy: it can be utterly paralysing, render people unable to speak coherently etc. Similarly, clinical depression is not just being fed up. It can rob people of the ability to motivate themselves to do the most basic things, like eat, bath or shower and dress themselves. I've supported clients who are so shut down by their depression that they can barely speak.

And as for PTSD, the sheer terror sufferers experience when something triggers a PTSD flashback can be impossible to overcome. One of my clients now has a physical disability after being hit by a car when their PTSD was triggered by the loud bang and crash of something being unloaded by a lorry and they bolted across the road, another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

All my clients would love to be free of their mental health conditions and able to live a normal life, but they can't. MH services are shockingly under-resourced, many go months without seeing a psychiatrist, the waiting list for things like EMDR therapy are endless and for many conditions there is no meaningful treatment.

My DB is bipolar. The only medication that controls it effectively is a 4-weekly depot injection (aripiprazole) that renders him zombie-like for 7-10 days after he's had it and starts to wear off about 10 days later so that he gradually becomes more manic and delusional. What employer would keep someone in a job who's only capable of working for a week or two out of four?

The ignorance and prejudice some people on here display about mental illness is so appalling that I come close to hoping that they'll experience it for themselves sometimes.

Sorry to hear about your brother, I had an elderly neighbour on the same 4-weekly medication, I did his shopping and it was difficult and upsetting the nearer it got to the injection, then sad for a few days when he was “too” calm. A lot of other neighbours steered clear but perhaps didn’t know the full story.

EasternStandard · 24/07/2025 12:06

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:37

I've worked with clients with mental health issues for almost 2 decades. I've seen first hand how utterly life destroying severe anxiety, depression and PTSD can be. Your glib attitude is ill-informed and frankly insulting.

Anxiety is an awful lot more than just being a bit worried or uneasy: it can be utterly paralysing, render people unable to speak coherently etc. Similarly, clinical depression is not just being fed up. It can rob people of the ability to motivate themselves to do the most basic things, like eat, bath or shower and dress themselves. I've supported clients who are so shut down by their depression that they can barely speak.

And as for PTSD, the sheer terror sufferers experience when something triggers a PTSD flashback can be impossible to overcome. One of my clients now has a physical disability after being hit by a car when their PTSD was triggered by the loud bang and crash of something being unloaded by a lorry and they bolted across the road, another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

All my clients would love to be free of their mental health conditions and able to live a normal life, but they can't. MH services are shockingly under-resourced, many go months without seeing a psychiatrist, the waiting list for things like EMDR therapy are endless and for many conditions there is no meaningful treatment.

My DB is bipolar. The only medication that controls it effectively is a 4-weekly depot injection (aripiprazole) that renders him zombie-like for 7-10 days after he's had it and starts to wear off about 10 days later so that he gradually becomes more manic and delusional. What employer would keep someone in a job who's only capable of working for a week or two out of four?

The ignorance and prejudice some people on here display about mental illness is so appalling that I come close to hoping that they'll experience it for themselves sometimes.

What would you recommend to the op and her dc?

That she continues to take time out, sleeps as she is or helps her get back into work?

Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 12:00

another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

So they never leave the house in case they come across a dog? Do they claim benefits because of this? And do you think that is acceptable?

Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 11:58

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:37

I've worked with clients with mental health issues for almost 2 decades. I've seen first hand how utterly life destroying severe anxiety, depression and PTSD can be. Your glib attitude is ill-informed and frankly insulting.

Anxiety is an awful lot more than just being a bit worried or uneasy: it can be utterly paralysing, render people unable to speak coherently etc. Similarly, clinical depression is not just being fed up. It can rob people of the ability to motivate themselves to do the most basic things, like eat, bath or shower and dress themselves. I've supported clients who are so shut down by their depression that they can barely speak.

And as for PTSD, the sheer terror sufferers experience when something triggers a PTSD flashback can be impossible to overcome. One of my clients now has a physical disability after being hit by a car when their PTSD was triggered by the loud bang and crash of something being unloaded by a lorry and they bolted across the road, another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

All my clients would love to be free of their mental health conditions and able to live a normal life, but they can't. MH services are shockingly under-resourced, many go months without seeing a psychiatrist, the waiting list for things like EMDR therapy are endless and for many conditions there is no meaningful treatment.

My DB is bipolar. The only medication that controls it effectively is a 4-weekly depot injection (aripiprazole) that renders him zombie-like for 7-10 days after he's had it and starts to wear off about 10 days later so that he gradually becomes more manic and delusional. What employer would keep someone in a job who's only capable of working for a week or two out of four?

The ignorance and prejudice some people on here display about mental illness is so appalling that I come close to hoping that they'll experience it for themselves sometimes.

Maybe we have suffered trauma ourselves, maybe suffer ourselves, but you know have jobs, children, families, friends etc, maybe we can't just stay in our houses all day as we won't get paid.

I wonder how many of these people would be better off working? Better off getting outside?

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:37

Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 11:15

Maybe the Poster you're insulting is just getting a little bit peed off with people not being able to get out and do a bloody job due to anxiety, depression, PTSD or whatever other condition is flavour of the month!
OP daughter and the other poster who can't leave their houses need a bloody good shake and get a job!

I've worked with clients with mental health issues for almost 2 decades. I've seen first hand how utterly life destroying severe anxiety, depression and PTSD can be. Your glib attitude is ill-informed and frankly insulting.

Anxiety is an awful lot more than just being a bit worried or uneasy: it can be utterly paralysing, render people unable to speak coherently etc. Similarly, clinical depression is not just being fed up. It can rob people of the ability to motivate themselves to do the most basic things, like eat, bath or shower and dress themselves. I've supported clients who are so shut down by their depression that they can barely speak.

And as for PTSD, the sheer terror sufferers experience when something triggers a PTSD flashback can be impossible to overcome. One of my clients now has a physical disability after being hit by a car when their PTSD was triggered by the loud bang and crash of something being unloaded by a lorry and they bolted across the road, another is so terrified of encountering dogs that they are scared to leave the house.

All my clients would love to be free of their mental health conditions and able to live a normal life, but they can't. MH services are shockingly under-resourced, many go months without seeing a psychiatrist, the waiting list for things like EMDR therapy are endless and for many conditions there is no meaningful treatment.

My DB is bipolar. The only medication that controls it effectively is a 4-weekly depot injection (aripiprazole) that renders him zombie-like for 7-10 days after he's had it and starts to wear off about 10 days later so that he gradually becomes more manic and delusional. What employer would keep someone in a job who's only capable of working for a week or two out of four?

The ignorance and prejudice some people on here display about mental illness is so appalling that I come close to hoping that they'll experience it for themselves sometimes.

usernamealreadytaken · 24/07/2025 11:25

PandoraSocks · 23/07/2025 15:54

Crikey.

I prefer not to engage with someone who has such a low opinion of people who claim benefits.

Off out to the Co-Op now to spend my Carer's Allowance on gin. Must feed my free goat when I get back.

I don't have a low opinion of people who claim benefits, @PandoraSocks. I have a low opinion of people who claim benefits, lie around in bed and don't meet their obligations to get their free money.

usernamealreadytaken · 24/07/2025 11:23

Ursulla · 24/07/2025 10:55

Awe, you poor wee sausage. Who hurt you?

Lazy louts who expect to be able to lie in bed all day while I work to pay for them.

Lanzarotelady · 24/07/2025 11:15

Ursulla · 24/07/2025 10:55

Awe, you poor wee sausage. Who hurt you?

Maybe the Poster you're insulting is just getting a little bit peed off with people not being able to get out and do a bloody job due to anxiety, depression, PTSD or whatever other condition is flavour of the month!
OP daughter and the other poster who can't leave their houses need a bloody good shake and get a job!

BeltaLodaLife · 24/07/2025 11:05

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:02

Even the government recognise this. Weekly or greater incidence of faecal incontinence is one of the things that leads to a claimant to be deemed to have "limited capability for work or work-related activity", and rightly so imo.

Yes. Which is why the poster who kept saying that UC would force a disabled person to evacuate their bowels on the job centre chair was told she was wrong over and over but she kept going on about it.

UC do not treat everyone the same. They won’t force someone with a disability into the job centre; alternatives will be made if they are deemed to have a work requirement or to need to attend meetings.

LakieLady · 24/07/2025 11:02

Idontpostmuch · 24/07/2025 10:46

I did read it all. No, I don't think we should never leave the house. I go out and about as much as possible. It's clear you've never experienced the terror of thinking you might not get to the toilet on time, of having a disaster outside the toilets with teenage girls giggling, of then leaving a trail of excrement on your way into the toilet, of causing the closure of the toilets for cleaning, and of being in the toilet, listening to people outside the door calling you 'disgusting.' Very difficult to concentrate on a job with all that hanging over you. I applaud those who work, and thank my lucky stars I'm financially OK. Yes, I'm aware it has nothing to do with OP post, but you're talking about it, so why not me?

Even the government recognise this. Weekly or greater incidence of faecal incontinence is one of the things that leads to a claimant to be deemed to have "limited capability for work or work-related activity", and rightly so imo.

Idontpostmuch · 24/07/2025 10:59

SouthernNights59 · 24/07/2025 07:28

I spent some time job hunting a few years ago, but I didn't spend my days in bed while I was waiting to be granted an interview. I signed on with a temp agency and did all sorts of work while I was job seeking. That's the sort of thing that people who are serious about finding a job do.

Temping agencies can be good but you still have to get lucky. I temped for an agency for a year while I searched for work. Very convenient because, unlike with a permanent job, you can easily get away to attend interviews. I was their 'star' temp (I wasn't any better than others but the agency thought I was, and that's what matters). Hence they kept me in work most of the time for an entire year except for when on holiday. Finally got a proper job, but when, 18 months later, redundancy struck, that agency had closed down. I signed up with others, but never got a toe in the door and so only got isolated single days. Long term unemployment again and then a new agency got me work for a year in the same place. Temping agencies can work but sometimes you have to play the long game.

Ursulla · 24/07/2025 10:55

usernamealreadytaken · 23/07/2025 14:39

So how do you suggest that DWP kindly encourages people to get their arses out of bed and attend appointments, funded by the taxpayer, to try to get them in to work and paying taxes? I'm not sure that fluffy slippers and tea and cake will really cut it as much as "you have no beer tokens this month. If you want other people to pay your rent, don't miss your appointment".

Awe, you poor wee sausage. Who hurt you?

LoisGriffinskitchen · 24/07/2025 10:50

YANBU at all OP. I hate sanctions with a passion and deal with people sanctioned for the most stupid of reasons.
There’s some great people working for the DWP who do lots to support people and then there are others who I despair of.

Tbey are supposed to try and contact people and make sure that sanctioning won’t push them into extreme hardship, my experience is that this does not happen enough. Which is why people end up unaliving themselves at times.

it’s heartless, it’s cruel and needs to stop.

cloudyblueglass · 24/07/2025 10:46

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:17

What was she supposed to do. Only her and him left in the room.

Laugh and agree?

She was shocked.

Edited

Yes. That’s what she was supposed to do. And start looking for a new job whilst remaining employed.

Or put up with not having a job and being on UC whilst searching for jobs.

Idontpostmuch · 24/07/2025 10:46

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 22:55

So you’re another one who thinks it’s totally inoffensive to say that people with bowel issues have no choice but to have an accident on the job centre chair and can’t actually leave their house?

Another one who thinks it’s really awful to talk about medical aids which allow people with disabilities to leave the house.

And apparently another one who things that the poster going on about it was absolutely relevant on a thread about a woman with zero disabilities.

No, you didn’t read the rest of the comments.

oh! And also the fearmongering from that poster! Despite being told repeatedly that, as she has a disability, UC would arrange alternatives for her so she wouldn’t be put in that position if she really couldn’t. But she kept going. People with disabilities will be reading this, and it makes claiming UC even more scary as they’ll think there won’t be reasonable adjustments for them.

Edited

I did read it all. No, I don't think we should never leave the house. I go out and about as much as possible. It's clear you've never experienced the terror of thinking you might not get to the toilet on time, of having a disaster outside the toilets with teenage girls giggling, of then leaving a trail of excrement on your way into the toilet, of causing the closure of the toilets for cleaning, and of being in the toilet, listening to people outside the door calling you 'disgusting.' Very difficult to concentrate on a job with all that hanging over you. I applaud those who work, and thank my lucky stars I'm financially OK. Yes, I'm aware it has nothing to do with OP post, but you're talking about it, so why not me?

FurForksSake · 24/07/2025 10:37

I think the general consensus is that indeed is a very weak way of applying for work. My new term is good for jobs in schools, nhs jobs for nhs, charity job, guardian jobs, TES, LinkedIn, government find a job, directly with companies, local agencies and your local council are all good options. Indeed is just chucking cvs at the wall and seeing what sticks.

look at the big local employers, go and apply for every job at Tesco, Aldi, McDonald’s etc just to get back into work and keep looking for temp or perm work in the right sector. Delivering groceries or picking groceries always looks like a reasonable job and often advertised locally.

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