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To this is absolutely insane! Universal Credit Sanction

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ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:18

Adult DD has had an absolute nightmare trying to get a job since she was fired just before Christmas,

She wasn’t happy in the role previous to that so applied for another, got it, gave her resignation. Three days into the new role, she was told, she wasn’t a good fit and immediately fired. She did absolutely nothing wrong btw.

This has massively affected her mental health. She’s never been fired before or been unemployed.

She has literally applied for over 1500 jobs since then, only got two interviews which she wasn’t successful at.

She missed a UC appointment in June. Not sure what exactly happened but she has evidence of her job search. At every appointment they tell her she’s applying for a lot of jobs and there’s noting they can do to help.

They have sanctioned her UC so she has only got £7!

According to the letter she has been sanctioned for 30 days for a first offence of missing one appointment after 6 months in which they have not helped her find a job!

She has an appointment later today and I’m planning to go with her to complain as she isn’t in the right head space to. I just think it’s totally disgusting! She lives at home luckily but can’t pay her phone bill even!

Imagine if she was living on her own and had no support!

AIBU to think this is extreme and unjustifiable punishment?

OP posts:
JealousyIsADisease · 23/07/2025 13:19

Is sanctioning her so she hasn’t got enough even for basic living requirements, for ONE missed appointment, not extreme though?
£7 for a whole month.

Are you sure that’s all she’s missed, have you seen her journal? My DS missed one appointment once and wasn’t so heavily sanctioned so I’m thinking there may possibly be more to this.

PandoraSocks · 23/07/2025 13:19

I think the sanctioning system is cruel, but @ThisIsInsane I really don't think you should be going to the appointment with her.

Help her work out what to say beforehand, but don't go in with her unless as pp said she has some sort of extra needs.

LurkThenPost · 23/07/2025 13:18

Sorry idk why that posted twice!

LurkThenPost · 23/07/2025 13:18

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:13

We live in the Southeast, she’s been applying for jobs up to an hour away driving distance which covers at least 5 decent sized towns and also in the city in London.

I actually don’t think most of them exist which are agency advertised so she’s only applying for employer advertised roles now.

Why the actual hell would I bother lying about that specific detail on an anonymous forum?

What did she do her degree in? Unfortunately, a lot of students are struggling to find jobs and having to retrain. Would she be interested in teaching or nursing? The state needs teachers and nurses, so won't be too hard to find a job. In meantime, she can do agency work to meet people at network - this is for teaching. If her degree is in shortage subject, then she can get a bursary too.
Courses start in September, so there's still some time!

JenniferBooth · 23/07/2025 13:18

Bodonka · 23/07/2025 12:43

It’s nice of you to be supporting her, but kicking off about it will do her no favours - nor in the long run will you going with her. It’s always ridiculously cringey when a parent shows up with their adult child to defend them (unless of course, there are considerable additional needs). She needs to learn how to stand on her feet, apologise for missing the appointment, and respectfully explain her situation.

And - the crucial bit - she has to attend all appointments from now on. You wouldn’t miss work without a good reason, nor can you miss an appointment. I’m assuming she didn’t let them know prior, and just didn’t show up? You’d get fired for that at work in some places, so yes I think it’s justified. If her mental health is so bad she can’t manage her appointments, that’s a different Avenue to go down I think.

So what about ppl who have to miss work to attend a UC appointment.

LurkThenPost · 23/07/2025 13:18

What did she do her degree in? Unfortunately, a lot of students are struggling to find jobs and having to retrain. Would she be interested in teaching or nursing? The state needs teachers and nurses, so won't be too hard to find a job. In meantime, she can do agency work to meet people at network - this is for teaching. If her degree is in shortage subject, then she can get a bursary too.

Courses start in September, so there's still some time!

Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:17

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 13:15

The lowest-level sanction usually lasts until you attend a rescheduled interview so, unfortunately, it sounds like OP's DD didn't contact the DWP to explain her absence and reschedule the appt (OP posted that it was an appt in June that her DD missed).

Thanks for the insight into the rules, I’m definitely not familiar with UC and how easy/hard they are. To be honest, if she’s apparently applying for 50 jobs a week, attending a couple of interviews etc, she could’ve phoned the DWP to sort this out.

FiveCustardTarts · 23/07/2025 13:17

She clearly needs help with writing a decent job application. Does the king’s trust offer any support in your area? www.kingstrust.org.uk/ They offer support with moving into employment etc. There will be other things available if not.

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:17

Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:07

She called the MD rude on the first meet, within a day or two of starting the job?

Whether she was right or not about that, that was beyond stupid of her. How did she think that would end?

Appreciate he had been rude about someone else, but there’s a time and place and it’s definitely not in your first week at a new job where he does the hiring and firing.

What was she supposed to do. Only her and him left in the room.

Laugh and agree?

She was shocked.

OP posts:
Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:16

How old is she? I know she’s an adult but are we talking 20 or 45?

AngelicKaty · 23/07/2025 13:15

Locutus2000 · 23/07/2025 12:54

This doesn't add up. Nobody gets a 30-day sanction for their first breach.

The lowest-level sanction usually lasts until you attend a rescheduled interview so, unfortunately, it sounds like OP's DD didn't contact the DWP to explain her absence and reschedule the appt (OP posted that it was an appt in June that her DD missed).

vivainsomnia · 23/07/2025 13:15

I actually don’t think most of them exist which are agency advertised so she’s only applying for employer advertised roles now
She shouldn't have waited so long, but cross fingers she'll start getting more responses and interviews now.

BeltaLodaLife · 23/07/2025 13:15

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 12:36

i am not denying she is at fault for not attending the appointment! Her mental health is shot and she is struggling to get up so spends most of the day in bed. Sleeping for 14-16 hours of the day.

The point I made about the appointment not being helpful was about even the job centre are saying they don’t know what happening with jobs at the moment.

Is sanctioning her so she hasn’t got enough even for basic living requirements, for ONE missed appointment, not extreme though?

£7 for a whole month.

That is the point of this thread.

It would be unreasonable if they didn’t make this clear in advance and just decided that’s what they were doing. But they do make it clear, and your daughter agreed to it as part of her commitments.

If you want to receive state funds then you have to go by their rules, no matter how stupid you think they are. She didn’t attend and didn’t have a good reason for that (or they wouldn’t have sanctioned). So she got sanctioned; those are the rules.

What is she doing in bed for 16 hours a day? Tell her to get up and sort herself out.

pinkdelight · 23/07/2025 13:14

GNR2022 · 23/07/2025 12:57

i know this isn’t the point but where on earth do you live that she’s applying for 50 jobs A WEEK?
That cannot be right!

Especially not someone who's sleeping 14-16 hours a day. Much fewer and much more focused job applications would be the next step. You can appeal the sanction but it sounds like there may be more to it than she's told you as the period is so long.

vivainsomnia · 23/07/2025 13:13

She needs to stay busy, volunteer, free training etc... responding to indeed jobs by just sending a CV is not the way to go.

Has she sent letters to targeted companies? Quite a few companies only advertise on their websites only.

She clearly needs to reconsider her job search methodology. You'll be much more helpful talking to her about this than going to complain to the job centre, especially as it sounds likely your DD is not telling you the full story.

ThisIsInsane · 23/07/2025 13:13

quicklywick · 23/07/2025 12:56

Also no area in England has over 1500 jobs in 6 months to apply for

We live in the Southeast, she’s been applying for jobs up to an hour away driving distance which covers at least 5 decent sized towns and also in the city in London.

I actually don’t think most of them exist which are agency advertised so she’s only applying for employer advertised roles now.

Why the actual hell would I bother lying about that specific detail on an anonymous forum?

OP posts:
Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:13

MrBallenIsaFittie · 23/07/2025 13:08

If your daughter is spending 16 hrs per day in bed how is she applying for 50 jobs per week? Sorry OP but something just doesn't add up.
Is she qualified to do all '50' of the jobs she applies for? Unlikely, I have been working for 22 years and have bags of experience but I know I would not be qualified to apply for 200+ jobs a month. She is clearly just firing off a cv to anyone advertising so she can 'prove' to the job centre that she is looking for work and even then I doubt it is anything like the numbers she is giving you!
I think before you go storming into the job centre (personally I think she should go alone and sort it herself) you need to be 100% sure your daughter is telling the truth.

Break it down. She’s awake for 8 hours a day. Let’s deduct an hour per day on average for meals, toilet, a shower, dressing, Job Center appointments.

So that’s 7 hours wakened time per day. That’s 49 hours per week that she has available to apply for jobs.

She’s doing roughly one job per hour, every hour that she’s awake, every day for the last 6 months. That hour will need to include finding the job, reading the job specs, taking in the necessary info like location and salary and applying. No breaks.

Hmmm. I think your theory as to what’s actually happening is a bit more realistic.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 23/07/2025 13:10

@ThisIsInsane Yep. That’s how many she’s applied for. Over 1000 just on Indeed

Does she actually tailor her applications to the job descriptions? Because in theory one can apply for 1000's of jobs by the click of a button wit a generic CV & cover letter.

Matching your skill set with the job description on the other hand is a different ball game.

She really needs to up her game.

Meandmyguy · 23/07/2025 13:09

Give her a kick up the arse.

1500 job applications, come on now, is that the truth.

How is she sleeping up to 16 hours a day and ranking up so many applications.

ShanghaiDiva · 23/07/2025 13:09

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 12:25

Don't go in there with an attitude complaining, you will make things much much worse for her. Be placatory and charming, actually advocate for her, pleasantly and in a calm and respectful fashion.

She has to abide by the rules whether you feel they are helping her or not, if she wants the money. Apologise for missing the appointment, assure them it will never happen again. Don't try to coerce, force or push anyone into anything. It will not work.

THEY have the power, you have none. No matter how you feel, you only have the rights you can enforce and if you start an argument with them you are harming her and they can run circles around her for months.

She'd be better going on her own without her mother, and just apologising for her oversight and asking them to help her.

This is sensible advice.

MrBallenIsaFittie · 23/07/2025 13:08

If your daughter is spending 16 hrs per day in bed how is she applying for 50 jobs per week? Sorry OP but something just doesn't add up.
Is she qualified to do all '50' of the jobs she applies for? Unlikely, I have been working for 22 years and have bags of experience but I know I would not be qualified to apply for 200+ jobs a month. She is clearly just firing off a cv to anyone advertising so she can 'prove' to the job centre that she is looking for work and even then I doubt it is anything like the numbers she is giving you!
I think before you go storming into the job centre (personally I think she should go alone and sort it herself) you need to be 100% sure your daughter is telling the truth.

Kibble19 · 23/07/2025 13:07

She called the MD rude on the first meet, within a day or two of starting the job?

Whether she was right or not about that, that was beyond stupid of her. How did she think that would end?

Appreciate he had been rude about someone else, but there’s a time and place and it’s definitely not in your first week at a new job where he does the hiring and firing.

Coconutter24 · 23/07/2025 13:07

No the sanction is not unfair or extreme. There’s requirements to meet and your DD didn’t meet them. Why did she miss the appointment?
If I don’t go to work because I’m laying in bed or having a hard time I wouldn’t get paid, so why should your DD?

Overtheatlantic · 23/07/2025 13:07

Stop allowing her to languish in bed all day. Bad stuff happens, go out with your mates, drink some wine, and then get back out there with a positive attitude.

limescale · 23/07/2025 13:07

I know this isn't the point, but how on earth has she applied for 1500 jobs since January. That's about 8 a day, every single day.

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