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To be this pissed off with my 4 year old

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alleoindup · 23/07/2025 07:31

It was his sisters birthday party last weekend but her birthday is today. I work Mondays & Tuesdays so was going to open the presents today. Came downstairs and he’s opened every single one, destroying some in the process (like tearing colouring books and tearing the boxes some of the puzzles etc came in.)

I’m finding it hard to even look at him to be honest: I know I’m probably overreacting but I really am upset.

So I don’t get accused of drip feeding I am struggling anyway and this has just depressed the hell out of me.

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IsabelleLeduc · 23/07/2025 08:45

244milesnorth · 23/07/2025 08:26

So what were the consequences? I have twin 4 year olds and they’d get an absolute bollocking and there would be serious repercussions

I wondered if anyone was actually going to mention consequences here. A PP suggested you and your son have a cuddle!! He needs to know that what he did was wrong. At nearly 5 years old he is old enough to realise that behaviour like this has consequences.

Samiloff · 23/07/2025 08:44

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:35

To be so angry at a 4 yr old who did something silly while unsupervised that you can't even look at them and post on an internet forum for others to back up your rage is outlandish.

No, it isn’t.

alleoindup · 23/07/2025 08:43

@Overtheway let me help you with your confusion. I was upstairs, getting my younger child dressed while DS was downstairs watching Bluey.

What about things like turning the oven on, or spilling a kettle of boiling water over himself?

DS doesn’t routinely wander around turning ovens or kettles on. In any case, the kettle isn’t within reach. I honestly don’t know why you think him getting a chair, filling a kettle with water, turning it on and then pouring it on himself is a likely scenario. If he did turn the oven on which hadn’t happened to date I’d turn it off again!

I don’t expect a four year old to act like a fourteen year old but some responses are barking mad and acting like a chimpanzee is downstairs unsupervised rather than a child on the cusp of being school age!

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Jk987 · 23/07/2025 08:40

Zanadoo45 · 23/07/2025 07:39

Why was a 4 year old on their own long enough to do this much damage?

Not being able to look at him is dramatic and way over the top.

The dynamic in your family sounds off. Very off.

it’s ok for 4 year olds to be on their own in a room while a grown up is pottering in the next room!

whitewinespritzerandastraw · 23/07/2025 08:40

I would be angry. He knew it was wrong. 4 is too old to be doing that.

Hodgemollar · 23/07/2025 08:38

Lolopolo · 23/07/2025 07:52

I don’t agree. Kids wake up and the parents can’t always tell. Parents are tired senseless sometimes. Kids can be quiet and not wake them up. Parents might be in the shower/seeing to the other child. It’s ridiculous to suggest a parent monitor whether a child moves every single second of the day in their own home.

Well no it’s not every child, but one under 5 should generally be monitored. If they are able to do things like this they’re being left too long.
If an adult is asleep they might as well be out of the house.

ClarasSisters · 23/07/2025 08:37

alleoindup · 23/07/2025 07:56

I can honestly say I don’t feel the need to be hovering anxiously over DS. I know all children are different but I have two kids, I can’t follow them around all day because sometimes they do different things.

This morning DS was downstairs because he wanted to watch Bluey which is reasonable enough as requests to go.

"Not this morning, it's X's birthday so she gets to choose."

Or

"Of course. X's birthday presents are down there for her to open later. I know it's tempting but please leave them alone."

Could have been avoided. Not helpful now though. Does he have issues with impulse control generally?

ExercicenformedeZ · 23/07/2025 08:37

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:35

To be so angry at a 4 yr old who did something silly while unsupervised that you can't even look at them and post on an internet forum for others to back up your rage is outlandish.

Exactly. I don't believe some of these responses. Yes, what he did was a bit naughty and I'm not saying he shouldn't face any consequences, but I find the OP's hyperbolic language a bit disturbing. At the end of the day, nobody was hurt or harmed. It's not like he killed the family cat!

Whaleadthesnail · 23/07/2025 08:36

OP I disagree with most of the posters here, I think YANBU

I'd have gone nuclear, especially as you say he's closer to 5 than 4.

Sometimes my 4 year old gets downstairs before we do, it's normal, not a big deal, I also have a 2 year old so can be always in the same room as 4 year old and I'm sure you're the same.

The reality is you do just have to take a deep breath and move on, but I would be absolutely fuming. A 4 nearly 5 year old should know better.

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:35

MagpiePi · 23/07/2025 08:15

The OP hasn’t said she’s beaten the 4 year old or even shouted at him which I know is an unforgivable MN sin.
She has said that inside, she is fucking furious with him for deliberately trashing his sister’s presents. The OP is allowed to have feelings that aren’t all sunshine and rainbows even about her own child. She also doesn’t have to blame herself for other people’s actions, even if the other person is only 4 years old.

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To be so angry at a 4 yr old who did something silly while unsupervised that you can't even look at them and post on an internet forum for others to back up your rage is outlandish.

Samiloff · 23/07/2025 08:34

TheNightingalesStarling · 23/07/2025 07:50

Its this sort of thing that if its genuinely a one off you can put it aside. If its a pattern of behaviour it could (not definitely) be a symptom of something. The vast majority of 4yos understand that birthday presents are for the birthday child and are excited for them.

How was he after? Did he know what he did was wrong?

Give both your children a big hug. Move on with the day.

(And yes, at 4yo mine were definitely unsupervised for the 10-15mins it took me to have a shower for example!)

"Put it aside" if it’s a one-off? Give him a big hug?? Why? I certainly wouldn’t. At 4 he’s old enough to know that what he did was very wrong (unless he has severe SN) and he should be receiving consequences, not rewarded with a hug or have his naughtiness ignored.

Overtheway · 23/07/2025 08:32

alleoindup · 23/07/2025 08:12

He didn’t rip up the book out of spite. It was as he was tearing into the paper the book got torn as well.

@Barnbrack i don’t really think I dropped a ball. DS is stating school in five weeks; he is actually closer to five than four and I think he should be able to sit next to some presents without tearing into them like a starved predator. Both my children sometimes are in the house somewhere I’m not; not necessarily for prolonged periods but I do sometimes need to leave them unaccompanied briefly so that I can prepare food, bring the shopping in from the car or even go to the loo!

I have a child the same age and am really confused by this. Were you asleep when he was downstairs? What about things like turning the oven on, or spilling a kettle of boiling water over himself?

I let my DC go upstairs alone through the day because it's relatively childproof, but downstairs whilst I'm asleep seems quite dangerous.

In terms of the presents, he's 4 and has immature impulse control. Explain why what he did was wrong then salvage the day for your daughter.

Misbella · 23/07/2025 08:32

Lolopolo · 23/07/2025 07:45

Honestly why are people asking why he was downstairs on his own ffs?! Probably because his bedroom isn’t a prison and he walked downstairs? OP might not have been aware? Awake?? Those asking, do you lock your children into their bedrooms? Lock the upstairs at night? wtf people are rudiculous.

Exactly ! Honestly sometimes people just love to jump in and make people feel worse than they already do

Hedgedone · 23/07/2025 08:29

At nearly 5 he's definitely old enough to know better.
Yes you can be annoyed with him.
I certainly wouldn't be rewarding him for such behaviour.

244milesnorth · 23/07/2025 08:26

So what were the consequences? I have twin 4 year olds and they’d get an absolute bollocking and there would be serious repercussions

ExercicenformedeZ · 23/07/2025 08:23

He's only four, you are overreacting. 'Can't look at him'? That is super dramatic and disproportionate. That's what you say about an adult or maybe a child who has done something truly heinous, not just messed about with a few presents. I also agree that he may well be picking up on your low mood and acting up because of that. Children are very sensitive and it is bad for them when their parents are in a bad place.

ItsameLuigi · 23/07/2025 08:20

Smartiepants79 · 23/07/2025 07:42

Just 4 or nearly 5?
I would absolutely furious too. Both of mine would have known at that age that this was a naughty thing to do. However plenty of people will come along now and tell you he’s only little and you shouldn’t have left him alone with them all! Can he be made to help you fix the mess? Help with re wrapping? Has his sister seen it yet?

Agreed, both my kids (15 months apart) would never have done this. I've always left presents out for Christmas/birthdays and thankfully not had this issue. One has ASD too so less impulse control but he's never done this either. Id be gutted too

MagpiePi · 23/07/2025 08:15

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:08

Or maybe she's depressed so her wee 4 yr old is also having a confusing time with mummy not being herself and deserves some grace here

The OP hasn’t said she’s beaten the 4 year old or even shouted at him which I know is an unforgivable MN sin.
She has said that inside, she is fucking furious with him for deliberately trashing his sister’s presents. The OP is allowed to have feelings that aren’t all sunshine and rainbows even about her own child. She also doesn’t have to blame herself for other people’s actions, even if the other person is only 4 years old.

alleoindup · 23/07/2025 08:12

He didn’t rip up the book out of spite. It was as he was tearing into the paper the book got torn as well.

@Barnbrack i don’t really think I dropped a ball. DS is stating school in five weeks; he is actually closer to five than four and I think he should be able to sit next to some presents without tearing into them like a starved predator. Both my children sometimes are in the house somewhere I’m not; not necessarily for prolonged periods but I do sometimes need to leave them unaccompanied briefly so that I can prepare food, bring the shopping in from the car or even go to the loo!

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RetroViral · 23/07/2025 08:11

TheCurious0range · 23/07/2025 08:08

I think this is unusual for a 4 year old, he knew the presents were for his sister and the fact he actually destroyed some of them speaks to bigger issues than unwrapping someone else's presents. DS and my DNs at that age wouldn't have done that nor their friends and they're not angel children!

You think it's unusual fir a 4 year old to misbehave?

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 23/07/2025 08:10

I'd be absolutely livid too, I'd expect them to want to look, maybe try and lift the paper off the edges ro have a quick look at one but I actually think a 4 year old should know better and I'd be really upset and angry. And yes at 4 I let mine downstairs on their own.

TheCurious0range · 23/07/2025 08:08

I think this is unusual for a 4 year old, he knew the presents were for his sister and the fact he actually destroyed some of them speaks to bigger issues than unwrapping someone else's presents. DS and my DNs at that age wouldn't have done that nor their friends and they're not angel children!

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:08

MagpiePi · 23/07/2025 08:05

I agree.
I assume he doesn’t normally rip up colouring books so I would also assume that he did it deliberately out of jealousy.
The OP has said she is depressed and this would hit hard as arranging a nice day for her DD will have been harder than for all the perfect mums who are judging.

You are allowed to be furious with your kids when they do things like this.

Or maybe she's depressed so her wee 4 yr old is also having a confusing time with mummy not being herself and deserves some grace here

Barnbrack · 23/07/2025 08:06

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/07/2025 07:57

There are at least two children. The OP presumably can't divide herself in two so there are bound to be times when one child is unattended. Maybe she should get a chain so she can attach the children to her at all times. <sarcasm font ON>

Sorry to hear this, OP. As others have said, this won't seem so bad with the passage of time, but it's not a good start to the day. Breathe deeply and try to get past it. Happy birthday to the little one.

I have 2 children, if they're up and about in the morning I go down with whoever is down. Equally if I knew the living room was full of wrapped presents I wouldn't expect a potentially jealous 4 yr old to be able to entirely ignore that. As an aside they aren't allowed to just take themselves down and watch TV either or my 7 yr old would be up at 4am watching Pokémon. It's not that hard to keep an eye on 2 children and I say that with a 4 yr old and a 7 yr old with additional needs. It sometimes can get stressed if 1 is kicking off about something but ultimately on a normal morning I'd have a decent awareness of where they both are and what they're up to.

Could what happened to the op happen in my house? Yes! But my first thought wouldn't be to 'not even look' at my 4 yr old in rage it would be that I dropped the ball

MagpiePi · 23/07/2025 08:05

Bananarama2000 · 23/07/2025 07:57

Nope YANBU, that’s jealous behaviour and 4yr olds know not to by that age. Unless there’s some sort of SEN involved that would boil my blood.

I agree.
I assume he doesn’t normally rip up colouring books so I would also assume that he did it deliberately out of jealousy.
The OP has said she is depressed and this would hit hard as arranging a nice day for her DD will have been harder than for all the perfect mums who are judging.

You are allowed to be furious with your kids when they do things like this.