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Child Free Weddings have always been normal - stop pretending otherwise

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thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 00:08

Just that really. Every other week some entitled family member trots out the "reasons" why she is super special and her children MUST be allowed to attend someone else's wedding. It's batshit, over entitled and frankly weird.

I do not understand this desperate need to control other people's lives or inability to just turn down an invitation politely.

Other people's weddings - no matter who they are or what your relationship is - are not about you. The bride and the groom are the only people who get to decide anything.

No ifs, no ands, no buts.

So, when you receive a child free wedding invitation these are your options.

  1. You can ask very very very politely if your children are the special exception - the answer will be no, by the way.
  2. You can accept the situation like a grown up and say yes.
  3. You can accept the situation like a grown up and say no.
  4. You can accept the situation and throw a tantrum in real life, on mumsnet or any other platform of your choice.
  5. You can turn up with your kids and be exiled from most family events for the rest of your life.

And for the hard of thinking:

  1. Child free weddings don't mean they hate your children or any children.
  2. They will be fine with you turning down the invitaiton, you won't be making any great dramatic stand by doing so, few will notice, probably none will actually care.
  3. There are extremely good reasons why some people have made the choice to not have kids at their weddings, dating back right through history this has been a common practice.
  4. Again, this is not a new thing. Not at all. You're just not very well educated about the past, or are wearing your Pollyanna goggles.
  5. Not wanting kids at the wedding has nothing to do with aesthetics and everything to do with adults enjoying themselves unencumbered and uninterrupted.
  6. Your kids are only cute to you, your spouse and maybe the grandparents. Everyone else is just being nice.
  7. Your personal story doesn't matter to the bride and groom, and nor should it.

I think that covers it. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

Stands back to await the hurricane of entitlement and faux shock and horror.

Posting with a poll for a bit of a laugh, mumsnetters do love their polls :)

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gerispringer · 23/07/2025 04:45

There is a long history of weddings so what period is this “ always been the norm” cover? The last 50 years? 100? 500 years? Its a bit of a sweeping statement. My parents got married in wartime so only had about 6 people at the wedding, that was probably normal for then. Id never heard of child free weddings until relatively recently, but then Id never heard of baby showers or hen and stag dos abroad either - these are fairly recent phenomena . Times change and yes, child free weddings are an option that maybe people didn't think of before as they weren’t spending vast amounts of their own money on an event. In some cultures its definitely not a thing - have you ever been to an Asian or Jewish wedding?

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:44

xanthomelana · 23/07/2025 04:37

I never understand why people automatically think children should be invited to the wedding. Maybe if they are close family but whenever I’ve received a wedding invitation I’ve always sorted a babysitter out and never assumed it was for the whole family. Maybe it’s a geographical thing because in my area even now no one takes kids to a wedding unless they are in the bridal party. I also think we are more precious about children these days and forget that not everyone loves our kids the way we do and shouldn’t be expected to. There could be a guilt factor in it as well because as parents we are working more and relying on paid childcare so people feel bad about spending their time without them. Either way I totally agree with everything you wrote but we’ll still have numerous posts a week about it and you’ll always get the ones who will agree that kids should be at weddings because they light up the room.

It's honestly why i wrote this - those numerous posts per week. It is just so frustrating to read the same debunked entitled guff over and over again🙄

It's like they're filling in a template "Why MY kids and MY wants and hurty feels are more important than YOUR feelings, wants, needs or one of the most important days of your life" 😕

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sesquipedalian · 23/07/2025 04:42

“[Child-free weddings] is not a new thing. Not at all. You're just not very well educated about the past, or are wearing your Pollyanna goggles.”

I don’t think that’s true, and for the simple reason that weddings have changed from being family affairs with a few friends, to being mostly friends with some family. When I was young, you told your mother you were going to get married, and she organised and paid for your wedding - which meant it was much more family-oriented. It was quite unusual to have an evening do - the bride and groom would leave early evening and that was that - and the hen party was thankfully unknown. These days, unless you come from a very wealthy background, the wedding is organised by the bride and groom and paid for by them with parental contributions - so as they are organising, they have control of the guest list. Weddings are hideously expensive, and many a bride and groom trim children to cut down on costs.

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:40

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 04:32

I think that's the difference. The culture around weddings has changed from being about family, to being about just the bride and groom.

I don't think child-free weddings were as common as you're claiming.

Well you can believe that, certainly, but you are therefore saying I'm lying about my experiences and that everyone who has agreed with me on this thread and on every thread that this is mentioned on is also lying. Which you are also free to believe, if it suits you.

And no, it was always the bride's big day, in Western culture.

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xanthomelana · 23/07/2025 04:37

I never understand why people automatically think children should be invited to the wedding. Maybe if they are close family but whenever I’ve received a wedding invitation I’ve always sorted a babysitter out and never assumed it was for the whole family. Maybe it’s a geographical thing because in my area even now no one takes kids to a wedding unless they are in the bridal party. I also think we are more precious about children these days and forget that not everyone loves our kids the way we do and shouldn’t be expected to. There could be a guilt factor in it as well because as parents we are working more and relying on paid childcare so people feel bad about spending their time without them. Either way I totally agree with everything you wrote but we’ll still have numerous posts a week about it and you’ll always get the ones who will agree that kids should be at weddings because they light up the room.

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:36

I had a thought that childfree weddings weren't in my experience and seemed strange to me when I first ran into one because family culture, but they were all Catholic weddings. Does that make a difference or coincidence? The childfree weddings I've encountered were all secular.

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:35

Jumpthewaves · 23/07/2025 04:32

I think the problem comes when a bride and groom get stroppy because you decline their invitation. You're very welcome not to invite my child, but I should be allowed not to wish to come if that isn't how I'd like to spend my free time.

Yes, and sometimes they do cause quite the strop when someone can't/won't come without a newborn nursling or just because they have no childcare in far away city.

We were never forgiven for not attending so that was the end of that.

Jumpthewaves · 23/07/2025 04:32

I think the problem comes when a bride and groom get stroppy because you decline their invitation. You're very welcome not to invite my child, but I should be allowed not to wish to come if that isn't how I'd like to spend my free time.

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 04:32

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:29

If they want to make exceptions, they can. If they don't want to, they won't. They can indeed say that making exceptions causes them issues, because it well might.

Whatever the bride and groom choose is completely fine either way.

I think that's the difference. The culture around weddings has changed from being about family, to being about just the bride and groom.

I don't think child-free weddings were as common as you're claiming.

TheNightingalesStarling · 23/07/2025 04:32

Never went to any weddings as a child. My brother went to one at 5 days old, but that was it (which was child free but bride said of course newborn babies don't count!)

I think some people need to remember that while their child may be the centre of their world, they aren't the centre of the world.

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:31

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:28

My SIL cried and MIL got on the phone and made a big stink about us not coming because SIL was crying. So yes, it does happen.

The way I see it is she made her choice, we made ours.

Yep, perfectly fair.

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summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:30

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:29

If they want to make exceptions, they can. If they don't want to, they won't. They can indeed say that making exceptions causes them issues, because it well might.

Whatever the bride and groom choose is completely fine either way.

As long as they feel the same way about people who don't come. Whatever the invitees decide to do is completely fine either way.

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:29

knitnerd90 · 23/07/2025 04:21

Of course you can make exceptions. I did. You’re going to get entitled people either way. Someone’s always going to find a reason. If someone else does it that’s the reason. If no one else is getting one, they’re just special and deserve it.

you can argue it either way: either there should be a blanket ban because that’s simpler for the couple or people should make exceptions because having it your way shouldn’t always be the overriding priority and sometimes you accommodate family. I happen to think the “my day” rhetoric has become overdone and has become an excuse for absolutely everything.

the other half of it is that it’s not simply about what you can do. You can do whatever you want. It’s that people expect to be able to do it without consequences. If you want to prevent a sibling attending a wedding you can do that. You also have to accept the consequences of it. You can’t pretend it doesn’t send a message or communicate anything to the person.

If they want to make exceptions, they can. If they don't want to, they won't. They can indeed say that making exceptions causes them issues, because it well might.

Whatever the bride and groom choose is completely fine either way.

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summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:28

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:26

Already covered in the original post "They will be fine with you turning down the invitation, you won't be making any great dramatic stand by doing so, few will notice, probably none will actually care."

I've never known any bride or groom to make any fuss about a refused invite, but I suppose it must happen occasionally.

Edited

My SIL cried and MIL got on the phone and made a big stink about us not coming because SIL was crying. So yes, it does happen.

The way I see it is she made her choice, we made ours.

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:27

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 04:23

I think it's bizarre to exclude children from a family event 🤷‍♀️

I think it's bizarre that you think it's bizarre to have a child free wedding.

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thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:26

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:25

My DD got married a few years ago and had children at her wedding. She seems to prefer the family culture on my side.

I think it's pretty simple really. Have a childfree wedding, good on you, but don't cry when people can't come.

Already covered in the original post "They will be fine with you turning down the invitation, you won't be making any great dramatic stand by doing so, few will notice, probably none will actually care."

I've never known any bride or groom to make any fuss about a refused invite, but I suppose it must happen occasionally.

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thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:25

DiaryofaProvincialLady · 23/07/2025 03:02

Back in the day (pre 2000s) kids knew their place, that being, second place to adults, and could attend adult events respectfully and quietly so there was no need to exclude them, it was a given that if they attended they would behave and that the parents would parent them as appropriate for an adult event.

These days parents think that every adult social event is a jungle gym, kids rule the roost, every parent thinks their child is the starring role in every social situation and kids routinely interrupt adults talking, run around adult events screaming and shouting and knocking stuff over whilst their passive parents watch on doing absolutely nothing to control their behaviour which makes the event fucking unbearable for every other adult.

Don't even get me started on kids (and dogs) in adult pubs and restaurants!!!

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I agree that generally kids were not as pandered to as they are nowadays, but I still nearly every wedding I went to did not have children there, even pleasant kids can have a melt down, and honestly people just don't want to deal with it, and I don't blame them.

Yeah, dogs in restaurants is kind of gross, I do love dogs but I don't eat in restaurants that have dogs there, unless it is at an outside table.

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summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:25

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:20

Well, it's good you got the wedding you wanted, just like the child free wedding people do. I went to about half a dozen child free weddings in the 80s and early 90s, the ones that stood out for us were the ones with kids tbh.

I don't doubt that people have different experiences, I just want to address this silly idea that it's unusual, new or or a trend not to have kids at the wedding, while also addressing a few other misconceptions around the whole thing.

I will admit I find these main character syndrome, super entitled OPs repeating the same balderdash week in, week out a bit frustrating.

My DD got married a few years ago and had children at her wedding. She seems to prefer the family culture on my side.

I think it's pretty simple really. Have a childfree wedding, good on you, but don't cry when people can't come.

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 04:23

I think it's bizarre to exclude children from a family event 🤷‍♀️

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 04:22

Just because it was the norm for you, doesn't mean it was the norm for everyone else. I'd never heard of the concept of a childfree wedding (I have a huge extended family and kids would always be included) until my SIL decided to have one. I thought it was very strange, but that's just because it was outside my experience and I'd never heard of one before.

When inviting she basically told my DH that she didn't care if her childfree wedding meant he couldn't come, so he decided that with that kind thought, he wouldn't even bother with the expense and travel. It was the attitude though, not the wedding, that did it.

knitnerd90 · 23/07/2025 04:21

Of course you can make exceptions. I did. You’re going to get entitled people either way. Someone’s always going to find a reason. If someone else does it that’s the reason. If no one else is getting one, they’re just special and deserve it.

you can argue it either way: either there should be a blanket ban because that’s simpler for the couple or people should make exceptions because having it your way shouldn’t always be the overriding priority and sometimes you accommodate family. I happen to think the “my day” rhetoric has become overdone and has become an excuse for absolutely everything.

the other half of it is that it’s not simply about what you can do. You can do whatever you want. It’s that people expect to be able to do it without consequences. If you want to prevent a sibling attending a wedding you can do that. You also have to accept the consequences of it. You can’t pretend it doesn’t send a message or communicate anything to the person.

thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:20

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 03:46

They were definitely not normal in my family or those of my parents' friends. It never occurred to me to exclude children from my wedding. Normal in some families, maybe. Normal in general, not sure about that, just know it wasn't in my experience.

Well, it's good you got the wedding you wanted, just like the child free wedding people do. I went to about half a dozen child free weddings in the 80s and early 90s, the ones that stood out for us were the ones with kids tbh.

I don't doubt that people have different experiences, I just want to address this silly idea that it's unusual, new or or a trend not to have kids at the wedding, while also addressing a few other misconceptions around the whole thing.

I will admit I find these main character syndrome, super entitled OPs repeating the same balderdash week in, week out a bit frustrating.

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thelakeisle · 23/07/2025 04:11

knitnerd90 · 23/07/2025 03:48

I remember both sorts growing up.

The thing for me is that both sides can be unreasonable. For example not making exceptions for newborns, or for siblings' children, especially if long travel is involved. I've seen couples who were more keen on the childfree wedding than having a sibling present even if there were real obstacles to not having children at the wedding. Or claiming they "can't" make exceptions, which is nonsense. They could, they don't want to: at least be honest about it.

I would never have dreamed of asking anyone who wasn't a close relation for an exception to no children, and there were weddings I did not attend because childcare was an issue, but if a sibling had prioritised the child free wedding above my presence I would have been hurt.

No, I disagree, no exceptions should be required, for any groom and bride. It would be very unreasonable to expect that of them.

And generally they can't make exceptions for one without it causing them even grief among other very entitled people, as a rule. Far better that they just have a blanket ban, as it stops the what about me, main character syndrome invitees from lining up to hassle them.

But if they, the bride and groom want to make exceptions and enforce whatever child associated rules they like, then all good too.

Everyone just has to suck it up, their wedding, their rules. Just as the bride and groom have to suck it up if they can't or don't want to go without their kids. Fair's fair.

I have remembered one more wedding that had a kid at it, actually, most did not, but my cousin was getting married and she let her sister bring her daughter to the wedding. The kid, who was about 3 or 4 at that time, was up at the altar making loud noises and trying to get everyone's attention during the vows, while my cousin giggled at how cute her kid was and everybody else though FFS pick her up and leave the effing church.

But yes you are right, some people did have kids at their wedding, it was always an option to be child free though, and I really cannot be arsed with the rewriting of history every time this subject comes up, hence the thread :)

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knitnerd90 · 23/07/2025 03:48

I remember both sorts growing up.

The thing for me is that both sides can be unreasonable. For example not making exceptions for newborns, or for siblings' children, especially if long travel is involved. I've seen couples who were more keen on the childfree wedding than having a sibling present even if there were real obstacles to not having children at the wedding. Or claiming they "can't" make exceptions, which is nonsense. They could, they don't want to: at least be honest about it.

I would never have dreamed of asking anyone who wasn't a close relation for an exception to no children, and there were weddings I did not attend because childcare was an issue, but if a sibling had prioritised the child free wedding above my presence I would have been hurt.

summer56923 · 23/07/2025 03:46

They were definitely not normal in my family or those of my parents' friends. It never occurred to me to exclude children from my wedding. Normal in some families, maybe. Normal in general, not sure about that, just know it wasn't in my experience.