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To think the insurance company shouldn’t be causing me this much stress after a fire?

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FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 20:48

So had a massive garden fire in May. Thankfully the house was undamaged but we lost the garden office and sheds and all contents. I still have received no payment for the contents. The insurance have accepted the claim and say I’m fully covered, like for like, old for new, etc.

They sent a disaster firm out to clear the site. Apparently careful lists of stuff which was damaged beyond repair was taken before they removed it. Plus a list of stuff removed to see if it can be restored. The latter list was mainly electrical stuff like laptop, smart monitor.

and then things have gone very quiet. I have chased , emails go ignored. I’ve uploaded photos to the portal, etc. provided links of how much stuff will cost to replace.

so at the weekend I left a shitty review on TrustPilot that got things moving. Phone call today. Which to be honest stressed me out more. He wants me to provide receipts for my bikes. Well I can for one but not for the other. He tells me to go back to the shop and ask them to go through their records and find paperwork. Or me look through bank statements. It was years since I bought it, I can’t remember how many years. I have photos of the bike (with me sat on it) with the brand very obvious, they only make one model of bike (it’s expensive). I have a quote for a new bike. If I have old for new why do they need a receipt from when I bought it ten years ago? They could see the remains of the frame (with the make on it) in the ashes.

Then there is the multitude of stuff which you could see remnants of in the ashes, lawnmower, hedge trimmer, bbq, eglu chicken coop. Rather oddly the disaster company haven’t listed these…..well they removed them. So as far as the insurance company are concerned they didn’t exist! Thankfully I took a video of me raking through the ashes before the site was cleared so I should be able to prove the majority of it.

I’ve still no idea of whether my electrical stuff is retrievable. Been without a laptop for months now!

Haven’t been able to cut my grass for months! Haven’t been able to go on a bike ride in months and I used to be out 3 x a week. I cried on the phone to the insurance today. I’ve paid a lot of money and never claimed in 25 years of having insurance and never thought it would be this bad sorting it.

is this normal for insurance claims? The dawdling and the difficulty in proving stuff?

I haven’t even got onto the topic of stuff of which there was no sign of in the fire such as my surfboard or gortex jackets.

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TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 14:56

@FireAdvice Your list should itemize everything you lost. Loss adjusters are not the same as raking over a fire people to salvage things. The loss adjusters look at your losses and what the company thinks should be paid out.

FireAdvice · 23/07/2025 13:57

And I get the impression that Aviva used the Disaster Recovery company instead of a loss adjuster. I mentioned about them sending a loss adjuster and they said there was no need as the Disaster company would itemise everything and take photos.

Honestly it was like they sent Dumb and Dumber round. Good enough at clearing what looked like bomb site but I don't think anyone had an IQ higher than 80. And now we have an itemised list from them which appears to be missing 70% of what they took!

Thank God I made a video if me rootling through the ashes kicking at stuff and explaining what it was before they cleared the site.

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FireAdvice · 23/07/2025 13:31

KrisAkabusi · 23/07/2025 11:32

And this is where you are going to run into problems. You're thinking "new laptop" he's thinking "same spec". So if it's based on 5 year old specification, it's not going to be like a new one today. It will be smaller hd, slower chip etc. If they can't find the exact same spec, it will be absolutely current bog standard.

No that’s fine. And that’s what I’m expecting. So I have sent a link to a laptop with the exact same memory, i5, same graphics card, etc. but obviously a new one. I’m happy with that.

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TizerorFizz · 23/07/2025 13:29

@FireAdvice Unfortunately insurers do have partner firms that don’t always sell what you have lost! A big issue and we’ve had to fight that twice.

The police are not interested in fires if everything is insured. They don’t care about arson. I know that from direct experience so you won’t see them again. You are insured.

Your excess is what you expect to lose. That’s standard. I’d not lose sleep over that.

Loss adjusters are appointed by insurers. You can haggle with their findings. So you don’t have one appointed by the insurance company? That’s odd. You can appoint your own to haggle for you but mostly people don’t. We’ve managed to haggle when our very old semi derelict summer house was the subject of arson. We didn’t rebuild - I got a new kitchen. The best advice is list what you had. Purchase price if special kit and details of spec. Then do your homework and come to a reasonable figure. We could not get pp to rebuild the summerhouse but I like my kitchen!

KrisAkabusi · 23/07/2025 11:32

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:59

And I can remember asking the first guy that if my laptop was wrecked will they say oh it’s 5yo so we will only give you £100 but it will cost me £600 to actually buy one. And he definitely said no we will give you however much it costs to buy a laptop of that same spec. He said they would either give me the money or potentially provide a laptop through their “partner firms”. Same with the bikes, might be cash or might be a same spec bike.

And this is where you are going to run into problems. You're thinking "new laptop" he's thinking "same spec". So if it's based on 5 year old specification, it's not going to be like a new one today. It will be smaller hd, slower chip etc. If they can't find the exact same spec, it will be absolutely current bog standard.

Lafufu · 23/07/2025 09:45

I remember your original thread and the damage, it was terrible! Sorry you're still struggling to put it all right when it was entirely the fault of your neighbour.

FireAdvice · 23/07/2025 09:26

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 23/07/2025 08:27

Can I ask which insurance company?

Aviva. So you’d think a good one 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Lighteningstrikes · 23/07/2025 08:47

Some insurance companies are under handed.

Who are you with?

Hedgedone · 23/07/2025 08:39

OP, a loss adjuster more than pays for themselves when you have a good one.

My friends house was destroyed with smoke damage from electrics and she had a cheque within a couple of months.

So many things she never thought of that the loss adjuster added.

Money so well spent.

Make a detailed complaint and write you will be going to the Ombudsman about their treatment of your case.
Make noise.
Find your fury.

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 23/07/2025 08:27

Can I ask which insurance company?

Yabberwok · 23/07/2025 08:25

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:52

Around 40k I think

The bulk of it being garden buildings and boundaries.

Then about another 10k worth of miscellaneous contents. And then the bikes.

They rang up today begging me to say that I considered the complaint dealt with….which I bet is due to that 48 hour rule. I caved and said ok as the bloke has promised he will get stuff moving and I felt bad. I wish I’d refused and said and it can stay open until they pay! Fingers crossed they actually do something now though or I’ll complain again.

Wtf! £40k.. no loss adjuster and no payment yet. Wow, just wow they are asking to be shafted. The onus is indeed on you to prove your loss on law. But there will be a lot of things you can't prove like the signed Buddy Holly book, the Stanley Matthews match worn shirt etc. (I exaggerate).but there is a huge scope for you to inflate the claim and to take advantage
You really need to write everything down you are not happy with and if you don't hear anything by Friday get back onto them asking for details of the complaints process.

I think you're too nice in accepting that they will deal with things. Set expectations by asking for firm dates re payment and rebuilding etc

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 23:21

JohnofWessex · 22/07/2025 23:14

Just one email needed

I might also send a letter before action to the neighbours for your uninsured losses - stress etc if you have legal expenses cover

There is some legal firm on the case for that. They were put in touch with me via my insurers and will try and get any uninsured losses, so my excess.

i have a report from the fire brigade saying the fire started at my neighbours property and spread to mine. So hopefully should be straight forward.

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JohnofWessex · 22/07/2025 23:14

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 23:04

No, never seen the police again since the day of the fire, not heard from them. If I had more energy I’d be complaining about them too.

Just one email needed

I might also send a letter before action to the neighbours for your uninsured losses - stress etc if you have legal expenses cover

stackhead · 22/07/2025 23:09

Lastly before bed! If you felt pressured to close the complaint today raise a complaint about that! You should never feel pressured to say yes to a resolution. Mention that in your email.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/07/2025 23:08

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:53

I looked at this, they take 10% of your payout so I’d lose around 4k to them! I’m too tight for that. 😁

Hopefully it won't come to that.
Try not to let it stress you, stressing won't rush them along, it'll take a hit on your health.
Best of luck.

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 23:04

JohnofWessex · 22/07/2025 23:02

Any action being taken against the neighbours?

No, never seen the police again since the day of the fire, not heard from them. If I had more energy I’d be complaining about them too.

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FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 23:02

stackhead · 22/07/2025 22:57

What was the outcome of the complaint, have you received one yet? How long ago did you log it? If you've had a final response or it's been more than 8 weeks you can go to the financial ombudsman.

Insurers are going to be jumpy right now as the FCA literally today have published findings from a review they did on home claims and it wasn't good. Find the ceo or compliance manager email address l - it's listed on the financial services register of you search for your insurer and copy them in. They'll light a fire under the claims arses if they know what's good for them.

What was the subject of the first complaint? If it wasn't delays then make another one. Call them and state that this is affecting your mental health as that then makes you vulnerable and more options become available to the call handler.

Thanks that’s good to know. I made the complaint on the basis of delays. They said they’ll send me a letter saying I’ve agreed the complaint can be closed. I only logged the complaint on Saturday. I cried to my claims manager today and said how stressful I’m finding this. But thanks for the info about emailing the compliance manager. If I’m no further forward by Friday I’ll do that.

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JohnofWessex · 22/07/2025 23:02

Any action being taken against the neighbours?

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:59

And I can remember asking the first guy that if my laptop was wrecked will they say oh it’s 5yo so we will only give you £100 but it will cost me £600 to actually buy one. And he definitely said no we will give you however much it costs to buy a laptop of that same spec. He said they would either give me the money or potentially provide a laptop through their “partner firms”. Same with the bikes, might be cash or might be a same spec bike.

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stackhead · 22/07/2025 22:58

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:52

Around 40k I think

The bulk of it being garden buildings and boundaries.

Then about another 10k worth of miscellaneous contents. And then the bikes.

They rang up today begging me to say that I considered the complaint dealt with….which I bet is due to that 48 hour rule. I caved and said ok as the bloke has promised he will get stuff moving and I felt bad. I wish I’d refused and said and it can stay open until they pay! Fingers crossed they actually do something now though or I’ll complain again.

The 48 hour rule doesn't exist anymore. It was removed in 2011.

But if the complaint is closed (and you've received a final response - or it might be called a summary response letter - get straight to the ombudsman).

stackhead · 22/07/2025 22:57

What was the outcome of the complaint, have you received one yet? How long ago did you log it? If you've had a final response or it's been more than 8 weeks you can go to the financial ombudsman.

Insurers are going to be jumpy right now as the FCA literally today have published findings from a review they did on home claims and it wasn't good. Find the ceo or compliance manager email address l - it's listed on the financial services register of you search for your insurer and copy them in. They'll light a fire under the claims arses if they know what's good for them.

What was the subject of the first complaint? If it wasn't delays then make another one. Call them and state that this is affecting your mental health as that then makes you vulnerable and more options become available to the call handler.

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:56

Yes, it definitely says “new for old”. They happily paid out 10k for the price of a new garden office. They didn’t try and say oh well your office is 4 years old so we’re only giving you 8k. Same with the aviary and to be honest that was ancient, but the quote for a new one was 1k and they paid that.

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TizerorFizz · 22/07/2025 22:54

First of all the phrase is “new for old”. That means you are insured to have a brand new item to replace your 10 year old item. You can check your policy easily. Does it say “new for old”. If it doesn’t it’s going to be a valuation of what you lost based on its current value, not what you paid for it. So if a car costs you £20,000 but after 5 years it’s worth £10,000, you won’t get £20,000. If you insured the bikes with a new for old policy, you get the insurance claim met based on the new price of the bike.

I think you need to be clear on the wording of the policy and make sure what’s “new for old” replacement and what isn’t. Often they pay a sum based on like for like which means a sum of money based on the value of a 10 year old bike, not a new one. The sheds etc should be replaced with new sheds.

FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:53

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/07/2025 22:49

That's what they do. Can you hire an insurance mediator remove some of your stress, my Dsis hired one, she was over 18 months waiting for an answer, oil tank accident, she had been with the insurance company 20 years, no prior claim.
They couldn't care less about the stress or environmental damage.

I looked at this, they take 10% of your payout so I’d lose around 4k to them! I’m too tight for that. 😁

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FireAdvice · 22/07/2025 22:52

Yabberwok · 22/07/2025 22:00

Can you give an rough idea of the value of the claim?

When I was a claims manager, admittedly 25 years ago now (and where has that gone?) we would have appointed a loss adjuster to manage such a claim. They would have visited and inspected. Liased with the disaster company and basically been a personal claims handler.

It's unreasonable for the insurer to ask to go and get a receipt for an item that's years old. They accepted premiums to cover it.

You need to speak to them again tomorrow and check that they have registered a complaint. They have 48 hours initially to resolve it, before it's falls into a complaint they need to record for the FSA, or at least that was the rule back in my time.

Around 40k I think

The bulk of it being garden buildings and boundaries.

Then about another 10k worth of miscellaneous contents. And then the bikes.

They rang up today begging me to say that I considered the complaint dealt with….which I bet is due to that 48 hour rule. I caved and said ok as the bloke has promised he will get stuff moving and I felt bad. I wish I’d refused and said and it can stay open until they pay! Fingers crossed they actually do something now though or I’ll complain again.

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