To be glad schools are finally hitting back

Tbf , in most countries the keeping back is based on academics rather than behaviour, and we are talking really low levels academically.

I work for my local IAS service. I guarantee it happens.

@frozendaisy

Your absolute contempt for these children and for their families is clear from your tone and from the content of your post.

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@Nasrine but if being in school doesn’t work it doesn’t work whatever the reasons

a parent can wave an EHCP around as much demanding it be provided in full but if a school can’t hire another TA for love or money then what exactly can they do?

if you have a 14 year old boy refusing to be taught by a female teacher because “they should be in the kitchen looking after a man” what exactly can you do when you have 25 other pupils desperate to be taught by one of the best English teachers around who happens to be female? Do you sack her and get a male supply to please the one child or do you remove them from class because no one is getting anything done whilst he shouts across the classroom?

these are the decisions that now have to be made across the land daily if you accept that all students deserve and equal chance you have to make decisions based on that, if you as a parent want your child kept in that school that parent needs to work with the school to reinforce what the school is asking not make excuses “it’s his ADHD” really does ADHD make you a sexist prick?

it helps no one having a child who can’t cope on a room with 25 other teenagers, who will be normal teenagers, chatty, noisy, joke around from time to time, in classes taught by “humans with vaginas” the horror, that child isn’t learning, neither are the others - so whilst you can have some sympathy with the child and their parent that they might be a more difficult child to discipline that sympathy grows thin after the 4th lesson disrupted because of this increasing nonsense. Isn’t it better they go home to mummy because she’s in the kitchen surely, to be looked after by a female they think are there to serve them, just not serve them any English education, no that is wrong.

It was only a matter of time before schools “fought back” as it’s unsustainable at the moment.

(many SEN and disadvantaged kids thrive at our academy because they want to learn)

@nearlylovemyusername

'Predators'?

Nearly half of all children excluded from mainstream schools have SEN. The percentage of children with SEN in the mainstream school population is around 17%.

Children who end up being excluded are more likely to

• have a history of being in social care
• come from severe socio economic disadvantage
• are about 10 times more likely to have mental illness
• are four times more likely to have a diagnosis of SEN

And being excluded from school is an absolute disaster for them because it cuts them off from the only access to support services and from input from capable adults that many of them desperately need.

As far as the assumption that school exclusion is just correlated with youth crime, well yes that's a reasonable assumption, but there's actually some research pointing to it also having a causal relationship with youth crime. www.bi.team/blogs/do-school-exclusions-increase-crime/

Better to get them through the education system as quick as possible and then back to being their parent’s problem at 16. Who will then blame everyone else for why their angel didn’t get any GCSEs and for some reason can’t find a job.

Not many would want to risk the shame of being kept back, with their mates probably taking the piss out of them and moving on.

And the lawless kids, will be in a class with younger children to bully

Show me, an instance when a child, was suspended for forgetting a pen?

When I was at school I never had to put up with children swearing abusively, starting fights in the classroom, being verbally and physically aggressive to adults, bringing knifes and other weapons to school etc etc I was a quiet, hardworking child, if I had I would have been traumatised and possibly become a school refuser. I have friends whose children have anxiety from being in classrooms with children like this FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

Strict boundaries help most children feel safe, I am all for that.

My kids go to a ‘strict’ school where they are taught brilliantly in calm classrooms. The teachers are dedicated and kind. Some of the rules feel silly and they’ve received detentions for the stupid BUT rules are rules and it’s a small price to pay for an education that I know is not being constantly disrupted with poor behaviour. There are bigger things for parents to complain about, believe you and me, instead of focusing on whether school A let them wear PE kit during the hot weather and school B just let them take off their blazers.

Parents need to spend a day in schools where boundaries are not clearly in place! It’s not pretty.

Inadequate parents creating lawless feral kids need sterilising . It’s a shame schools have to step in . Society is breaking down and anything that can stop the decline is a good thing . How are unruly kids ever going to survive in a workplace if they have never followed rules or boundaries. Or maybe they are just assumed to be another pile on the scrap heap .

But saying that, I doubt it'd happen because then it would cost even more to educate those students that are kept back and do more years in school.

Perhaps the UK ought to reconsider automatic progression (technically its not automatic progression, students can be held back but so rarely done it might as well be considered automatic progression). I suspect there will be some difference in behaviour - who wants to be left behind while their mates go to a different class?

I don’t care if the Head of our academy was a PE teacher with a power trip he keeps the disruptive kids out of the classrooms, education is hard enough for teens at the moment the very least they need is a room they can learn in without being exposed to flying chairs and misogynistic, homophobia and racist viewpoints (which are learnt at home so hopefully he gets rid of the parents as well).

My teen is in a well controlled, well taught classroom, with excellent extra curricular activities and competitive academic opportunities his friends are lovely so go Mr Ex PE Teacher Head you are doing better than some Heads locally.

I thought secondary was going to be a battle but it’s not for our youngster (and wasn’t too bad for eldest but he had a weird pandemic start another academy ex PE teacher on a power trip no doubt Head), youngster comes home happy, thriving, all whilst wearing a blazer and a tie! It’s not the blazer that stops people learning, or having to have a purple pen (which he does didn’t ask why just got a packet of 6 he can restock when he needs to not a big deal), what stops learning is weak heads who let the dreadful kids and the dreadful parents take way more than their fair share of resources.

So well done ex PE teacher Heads on power trips of Academies you are doing great work round here (for the majority at least).

That was why I referenced the UK.

A place where the pupil can mess around and disrupt lessons for 3 years and can then take it as an option because they 'promise to be good', and not because their mates are in the lesson.

And they actually can fail, rather than automatically getting passed onto to the next school year despite not having grasped even the basics of what they were supposed to learn that year. In many countries you actually have to pass the year to progress to the next grade so students can't fuck around too much or they end up doing the same year 3 times (like one boy in my DD's school).

When a child gets suspended for forgetting a pen but can also be suspended for telling a teacher to fuck off, the sanctions for the more serious stuff becomes meaningless. You may as well tell a teacher to fuck off.

From what I have seen professionally, the use of internal isolation is going to end up a scandal one day.

One of the main differences is that teachers, schools and education have the respect of the parents, government, SM and MSM, who haven't spent years undermining the profession and pass that on to their children.

the children are also made aware that if they fail (a word that is not liked in the UK) it is there fault and not that of the teachers.

Nobody has managed to explain how that works with countries where there's no uniform. I mean, British teenagers are absolutely not that different.

Count my vote in too.

There’s a certain school of thought (no idea where it came from or how it gained traction) that uniform/petty rules are needed to give kids something to rebel against, rather than the bigger stuff.

I’ve been pushed out of the way numerous times on door duty, had food thrown at me on lunch duty, called a c*t countless times, told I clearly can’t teach by a 15 year old, had my phone smashed to something unrecognisable as a phone, and none *of these students were sent home. I left after 26 years. I’m now receiving emails from the DfE asking me to train as a teacher. They go in the 🗑️ to be deleted.

The thing I find crazy is parents who lap up the silly uniform rules as it prepares children for the world of work. Where on earth are you hoping your children end up? Butlins? I can't even think of a job for women that involves a tie. Oh maybe an Avril Lavigne impersonator?

I vote @EnidSpyton for Education Secretary. I have nodded vigorously in agreement while reading everything she has written. Unfortunately what she is saying is too sensible for those currently in charge.

As such, many of these schools are led by blokes who a) are not very bright b) are not very experienced and c) love having power and control over others.

This type of Head loves having nonsensical rules and they love dishing out punishments.

Totally agree. We have one of these. Fortunately even he realises that our nice grammar school doesn't need draconian rules. The first thing he did was introduce a blazer though