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Summer holidays should be longer

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noblegiraffe · 21/07/2025 09:24

Our kids have the shortest summer holidays in Europe, Italy have 13 weeks, even Ireland has 9.

They're under pressure so much at school they need more time to just be kids. Classrooms are so hot in the last few weeks of term that it's impossible to learn effectively anyway.

I think we should add at least an extra two weeks to the summer holidays, so break up near the start of July. This would bring us more into line with private schools too.

And with longer holidays it might help recruit and retain teachers, and reduce competition for summer annual leave slots for working parents. It could even reduce the cost of holidays as 'peak season' would be longer.

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Sunshineandoranges · 21/07/2025 12:51

waterrat · 21/07/2025 09:34

Op the problem is that it is a massive driver of social inequality.

If we had amazing state funded sport and arts clubs for kids going through to 16 years then yes it would be amazing

But I live in a disadvantaged area and can tell you many children from poorer families will barely do anything all summer. We know with growth in traffic and changing culture children dont play outside in large numbers now. Kids will game or watch tv for hours.

Working parents on low incomes will struggle hugely over summer.

Children will not be enriched or happy or having wonderful holidays and making memories.

Even if they do have some nice days they will spend too much time indoors etx

We need proper holiday clubs and projects in every neighbourhood byt austerity has decimated youth snd play provision

Many local authorities lost 80 per cent of youth and play provision over 10 years of austerity.

School is not the ideal way children should be spending their time...!!! But we need realistic alternatives not a daydream of a golden era of running about freely which doesn't happen

I agree with this. All schools should remain open but with voluntary good quality activities in arts,sports etc with the emphasis on fun and learning skills. These should put on for a few hours each day but there also needs to be some wrap around support for working parents,These should be pad for by the government. We need to invest more in our children,

Mammamia182833 · 21/07/2025 12:50

noblegiraffe · 21/07/2025 09:29

Does anyone know how much annual leave people get in other countries? How do the Irish cover it, for example?

I went to a British private school in Hong Kong and we had 8 weeks off in the summer - all of July and August. It was a shock to find out that kids here have to go to school in July - school is supposed to finish in June! Local schools were similar, maybe slightly shorter. I think it was as much to do with summer being super hot there.

I don’t think our summer holidays as a family were well organised - I didn’t have many friends locally. I just remember endless days stretched out reading books and enjoying the bliss of nothing to do and wondering hour to fill the days and time to myself.

I agree that these days the time would be filled with screens sadly.

Hoolahoophop · 21/07/2025 12:48

I'd definitely vote for the same amount of holiday overall, but spread more evenly across the year. 2 week half terms, two week Christmas. It takes my kids the first week to decompress then we are back again. A week to chill, a week to do fun things, then back bright and springy.

If I ruled the world then the timings for the holidays would also have to vary across the schools so that annual leave allocation pressure would be eased a little and hopefully holiday peak times spread more widely.

Bupster · 21/07/2025 12:46

Postre · 21/07/2025 12:42

And school should not be an escape from parents or home. If it is, neglect needs dealing with, not education being adapted and school staff's contracts being changed to bring up everyone's children for them.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that neglect is lovely and shouldn't be dealt with. My point was that a lot of the discussion is coming from a place of privilege, and as @SallyD00lally points out, when this is raised the answer seems to be to brush it aside as something that the government just needs to sort out.

If poverty and child neglect and abuse were simple I expect they would have been dealt with by now. Given their persistence, I'd suggest these are complex problems, and one thing that helps the children stuck in those situations is their access to school. No, it shouldn't be an escape - but it is. Cutting vulnerable children off from that for a longer period so kids from happier homes can get cheaper holidays abroad seems to me to be a little selfish, but what do I know?

MrsSunshine2b · 21/07/2025 12:46

MellowPinkDeer · 21/07/2025 12:14

I wonder if the OP would be so keen if teachers pay was cut. They always claim that they are only paid for the same amount of leave as everyone else, and not paid over the extended breaks. so if they have longer holidays then surely they will need to have their pay cut accordingly? Really, if they are only paid for term time plus the standard entitlement of everyone else, they are highly paid compared to other public sector jobs anyway!

Teaching requires a degree and at least one year of post-graduate training. If we consider that teachers are in school for 195 days and have a statutory entitlement to 28 days paid leave, they are being paid for 223 days, or 44.6 weeks.

Starting salary is £30k. (£30,000/44.6) X 52 gives a starting salary of £34,977. Which other public sector roles which require post grad qualifications are you referring to for this comparison?

Bollihobs · 21/07/2025 12:46

Mitara · 21/07/2025 09:35

Yeah i grew up in ireland, and we got three months summer holidays every year.

I was always shocked at how little holidays the school children in the UK get.

People asked how do parents cope with annual leave.

I grew up with a single mother.. she worked.

During the school holidays in secondary school, we were just old enough to be left by ourselves.

I was 14 and my brother was 16 for example. We were old enough to look after ourselves until she came back from work.

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Wow, I had no idea - 3 months is a long time to cover for childcare - how did your Mum manage in the years up to when you were 14/16?

MandyMotherOfBrian · 21/07/2025 12:43

Anyway, you asked what do other countries do. As PPs already said, way lower childcare costs, much better school holiday club provision at local levels - that is also affordable, France almost shuts down for the month of August, shorter or no half term/term breaks, longer days/more days per week etc etc. Basically, it would require a whole society shift. Which doesn't mean it wouldn't be good, but does make it unlikely. Not sure how the summer holiday knowledge slide could be overcome either.

Postre · 21/07/2025 12:42

Bupster · 21/07/2025 12:40

I haven't read the entire thread, OP, so apologies if this has been said elsewhere, but long summer holidays significantly disadvantage poorer children on a number of fronts: they are more likely to fall behind in schoolwork, forgetting what they've learned, and to struggle to catch up; they are more likely to have no SAHP and be essentially stuck at home with elder siblings, or alone; they are less likely to live in areas where there are summer clubs or activities; they are far less likely to go on holiday during the break; and the housing they're stuck in is more likely to be of poor quality in poor neighbourhoods.

Summer holidays are not glorious fun for everyone. For some children, school is their only safe place. The case of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes and similar ones during lockdown underline that - home is not always a relief from school but the place that school offers an escape from.

And school should not be an escape from parents or home. If it is, neglect needs dealing with, not education being adapted and school staff's contracts being changed to bring up everyone's children for them.

Legomania · 21/07/2025 12:42

MandyMotherOfBrian · 21/07/2025 12:39

If Germany and Denmark also have six weeks, and don't have the same issues with child mental health and school engagement, that would suggest it isn't the length of time that UK students spend in school, that is the problem.

I believe @noblegiraffe is a maths teacher so should be aware than correlation == causation

SallyD00lally · 21/07/2025 12:42

Bupster · 21/07/2025 12:40

I haven't read the entire thread, OP, so apologies if this has been said elsewhere, but long summer holidays significantly disadvantage poorer children on a number of fronts: they are more likely to fall behind in schoolwork, forgetting what they've learned, and to struggle to catch up; they are more likely to have no SAHP and be essentially stuck at home with elder siblings, or alone; they are less likely to live in areas where there are summer clubs or activities; they are far less likely to go on holiday during the break; and the housing they're stuck in is more likely to be of poor quality in poor neighbourhoods.

Summer holidays are not glorious fun for everyone. For some children, school is their only safe place. The case of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes and similar ones during lockdown underline that - home is not always a relief from school but the place that school offers an escape from.

These points were met with "Then perhaps the government should do this" and "Perhaps the government should do that".

Needmorelego · 21/07/2025 12:41

For those with experience of school holidays in other countries - what is the general opinion or attitude of primary age children being home alone or having an older (but not that much older) child in charge?
I always think of The Babysitter's Club books written in the 80s and set in Connecticut USA.
A group of 13 year old girls set up a babysitter service (and later add two 11 year olds) often looking after whole groups of younger children at a time.
Re-reading them as an adult it actually reads more like a "you're the eldest so you're in charge" type situation while the parents are all out working - which is pretty much how it was in UK a couple of generations back.
Would that be acceptable in some countries - even now in 2025?
Leave the children at home with a 13 year old sibling/neighbour in charge.
Would people be horrified or not bat an eyelid?

Bupster · 21/07/2025 12:40

I haven't read the entire thread, OP, so apologies if this has been said elsewhere, but long summer holidays significantly disadvantage poorer children on a number of fronts: they are more likely to fall behind in schoolwork, forgetting what they've learned, and to struggle to catch up; they are more likely to have no SAHP and be essentially stuck at home with elder siblings, or alone; they are less likely to live in areas where there are summer clubs or activities; they are far less likely to go on holiday during the break; and the housing they're stuck in is more likely to be of poor quality in poor neighbourhoods.

Summer holidays are not glorious fun for everyone. For some children, school is their only safe place. The case of Arthur Labinjo-Hughes and similar ones during lockdown underline that - home is not always a relief from school but the place that school offers an escape from.

123teenagerfood · 21/07/2025 12:40

Not everyone has 6 weeks off, my child school has 4 weeks and then 2 weeks in October. I wish people would realise that not all schools have the same term dates/holidays.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 21/07/2025 12:39

noblegiraffe · 21/07/2025 10:10

But Italy is the extreme, and I didn’t say that we should have 13 weeks in my OP but 8. A modest increase that would remove us from the bottom of the table (where we also are on child mental health and engagement with school).

If Germany and Denmark also have six weeks, and don't have the same issues with child mental health and school engagement, that would suggest it isn't the length of time that UK students spend in school, that is the problem.

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:39

MrsMurphyIWish · 21/07/2025 12:38

Lessons are going on until 5 or are clubs/prep sessions part of the school day?

Lessons until 4pm then clubs. Prep has to be done at home after school. State secondary here finishes at 2.30.

MrsMurphyIWish · 21/07/2025 12:38

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:37

Independent schools often run for that long so have longer holidays. My DD finishes school at 5pm

Lessons are going on until 5 or are clubs/prep sessions part of the school day?

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:37

MrsMurphyIWish · 21/07/2025 12:36

I’d be up for this. At my school we have our Inset as twilight sessions so what would be our Inset days are just added to holidays for us. I also work results days so have time back in lieu for that.

The issue with making the school day longer would be for the pupils. I’m not sure 8 hours of lessons will have effective learning going on.

Independent schools often run for that long so have longer holidays. My DD finishes school at 5pm

ConnieHeart · 21/07/2025 12:36

What you have to remember is teachers & other school staff don't get paid for school holidays. So a longer summer holiday means reduced salaries

MrsMurphyIWish · 21/07/2025 12:36

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:28

But yet OP doesn't respond to suggestions about having a longer working day to enable that extra holiday 🙄

I’d be up for this. At my school we have our Inset as twilight sessions so what would be our Inset days are just added to holidays for us. I also work results days so have time back in lieu for that.

The issue with making the school day longer would be for the pupils. I’m not sure 8 hours of lessons will have effective learning going on.

EarthlyNightshade · 21/07/2025 12:34

What would be dropped from the curriculum if there were less school days?
Unless, the school days were longer?

WhiteRosesAndCandles · 21/07/2025 12:34

We need term time only contracts and holiday childcare clubs to cover for more school holidays.

School year would reduce to 180 instead of 190 days. Working days are 253 to 276. We never had any support from grandparents or family members. Arranging childcare around us both working full time was almost impossible.

Legomania · 21/07/2025 12:33

Postre · 21/07/2025 12:30

A longer working day would need to be paid for.

Literally all the other options on this thread (apart from sticking them in front of the Xbox) incur a financial cost somewhere.

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:32

Postre · 21/07/2025 12:30

A longer working day would need to be paid for.

Why? If you are adding in an extra holiday? You are just spreading the difference out over the year

Crushed23 · 21/07/2025 12:31

noblegiraffe · 21/07/2025 09:29

Does anyone know how much annual leave people get in other countries? How do the Irish cover it, for example?

Summer holiday are ~3 months in the US where workers typically get 3 - 5 weeks’ annual leave.

How much time kids get off in summer should have nothing to do with the annual leave allowance of the parents.

Postre · 21/07/2025 12:30

twistyizzy · 21/07/2025 12:28

But yet OP doesn't respond to suggestions about having a longer working day to enable that extra holiday 🙄

A longer working day would need to be paid for.