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Summer holidays should be longer

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noblegiraffe · 21/07/2025 09:24

Our kids have the shortest summer holidays in Europe, Italy have 13 weeks, even Ireland has 9.

They're under pressure so much at school they need more time to just be kids. Classrooms are so hot in the last few weeks of term that it's impossible to learn effectively anyway.

I think we should add at least an extra two weeks to the summer holidays, so break up near the start of July. This would bring us more into line with private schools too.

And with longer holidays it might help recruit and retain teachers, and reduce competition for summer annual leave slots for working parents. It could even reduce the cost of holidays as 'peak season' would be longer.

Summer holidays should be longer
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Bushmillsbabe · 26/07/2025 08:32

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:53

My daughter’s state school offers wrap around care from 7:30 until 18:00 for working parents.

Lucky you. You must know that's unusual.

Is it free and available to all children who want it? Even more unusual.

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I don't think it's that unusual. My daughters state school offers paid wrap around care 7.45 -6pm, as do all schools around us. 85% of the costs of this can be claimed back by those on UC. We get about 25% discount by paying via childcare vouchers.

Natsku · 26/07/2025 07:57

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 21:50

Learning and working in warm weather and having exams in hot weather with hay fever is just how it is!

I actually sat exams on every milestone birthday- 16, 18, 21 & 30 as May through to June is exam season for schools, sixth form and Universities! Unless you completely redesign all of the education system it’s unavoidable!

BTW - I don’t think it’s a good idea to extend school holidays!

If anything I think the summer holidays should be shortened and school holidays should be more equitably distributed over the school year and staggered by local authorities.

Perhaps they ought to redesign it. Sitting the most important exams in the height of summer seems pretty stupid to me.

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 22:55

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 19:24

Council run subsidies childcare is only available to parents in receipt of Universal Credit and only run between 10:00 - 15:00.

People are generally paid monthly, so £250 per child a week for a holiday club would be £1000 for the month per child. If you have three children that would be £3000 a month in childcare. More than the average salary before tax, NI and Pension contributions!

If parents are working and using wrap around care, this fee for holiday clubs is entirely additional to the fees they usually pay!

Wrap around care costs less than £100 per week per child or £400 per month.

That’s an additional £600 per child each month of holidays.

It balances. You can save the £3 per day you save from having half an hour less per day wrap around due to the longer school day. That gives you £15 per week, then keep saving and it reaches £150 per term. Then by the time you have the 2 extra weeks of holiday in the summer, you have £450 per child saved up. All from paying £3 less wrap-around every school day.

I don't really care which your school chooses to do. I prefer one way - and luckily my school does that. Different people will prefer different solutions.

But half an hour a day less paid wrap-around does balance the extra 2 weeks of holiday camp. Exactly as the extra half-hour per day of teaching balances the extra 2 weeks of holiday.

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 21:50

noblegiraffe · 25/07/2025 19:37

Ah, maybe I shouldn't bother teaching at all during cold weather then as it won't replicate exam conditions!

There are arguments for not having exams when it is really hot and hay-fevery too.

Learning and working in warm weather and having exams in hot weather with hay fever is just how it is!

I actually sat exams on every milestone birthday- 16, 18, 21 & 30 as May through to June is exam season for schools, sixth form and Universities! Unless you completely redesign all of the education system it’s unavoidable!

BTW - I don’t think it’s a good idea to extend school holidays!

If anything I think the summer holidays should be shortened and school holidays should be more equitably distributed over the school year and staggered by local authorities.

Leapintothelightning · 25/07/2025 21:50

As someone who works term-time, 6/7 weeks is long enough!

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 21:43

3 hours for a holiday club isn’t sufficient for parents that work full time - so it would need to be 9 hours a day - so a minimum cost of £45 per day on an hourly rate of £5 per hour.

Yorkshiremum80 · 25/07/2025 21:11

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 16:22

Have you spoken to other parents to demonstrate a demand for an after school club?

Also does the school offer additional activities after school?

Netball
Football
Hockey
Chess
Karate
and art clubs?

Local schools offer this until 16:45 each evening in addition to the after school club

My son doesn't go to primary anymore but no there are no other after school clubs aside from the drama club. The school had said they don't have the demand to justify the cost. My son who is now in year 7 is going to the local holiday club twice a week which is £15 for 3 hours!!

noblegiraffe · 25/07/2025 19:37

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 19:16

Given that quadratic equations are part of the higher tier maths GCSE paper - which is usually sat in mid June… learning how to do it on hot weather seems sensible!

Ah, maybe I shouldn't bother teaching at all during cold weather then as it won't replicate exam conditions!

There are arguments for not having exams when it is really hot and hay-fevery too.

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envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 19:24

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 18:59

There is a big difference between wrap around care for school and its costs compared to £50 per day per child for holidays clubs, and many of them do not accept tax free childcare payments

Wrap around is less money in one go, but repeated 150 days over the year - so even if it's only 30 mins extra that's £450 over the year. An extra 2 weeks of holiday camps is only 10x full days. So it balances out.

Where I live, there is a huge choice of both council and commercially run holiday camps - some running short days, many doing 8-6. Most of them accept tax-free childcare accounts (only some of the fancier forest school ones don't). Several offer reduced rates for low income families: not by referral, they actively invite you to tell them if paying is a problem. As I said, ymmv.

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Council run subsidies childcare is only available to parents in receipt of Universal Credit and only run between 10:00 - 15:00.

People are generally paid monthly, so £250 per child a week for a holiday club would be £1000 for the month per child. If you have three children that would be £3000 a month in childcare. More than the average salary before tax, NI and Pension contributions!

If parents are working and using wrap around care, this fee for holiday clubs is entirely additional to the fees they usually pay!

Wrap around care costs less than £100 per week per child or £400 per month.

That’s an additional £600 per child each month of holidays.

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 19:16

noblegiraffe · 24/07/2025 11:14

Also, on a hot day at home they aren't going to be forced to try to learn to solve quadratic equations. They can go just lounge around eating ice lollies and fanning themselves. Or choose to go somewhere that's air conditioned. Or do some suitable activity like have a water fight.

My classroom is definitely hotter than my house too.

Given that quadratic equations are part of the higher tier maths GCSE paper - which is usually sat in mid June… learning how to do it on hot weather seems sensible!

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 18:59

There is a big difference between wrap around care for school and its costs compared to £50 per day per child for holidays clubs, and many of them do not accept tax free childcare payments

Wrap around is less money in one go, but repeated 150 days over the year - so even if it's only 30 mins extra that's £450 over the year. An extra 2 weeks of holiday camps is only 10x full days. So it balances out.

Where I live, there is a huge choice of both council and commercially run holiday camps - some running short days, many doing 8-6. Most of them accept tax-free childcare accounts (only some of the fancier forest school ones don't). Several offer reduced rates for low income families: not by referral, they actively invite you to tell them if paying is a problem. As I said, ymmv.

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 16:22

Yorkshiremum80 · 25/07/2025 15:21

We have 2 primary schools in our village both have a breakfast club with very limited spaces from 8am but that's it. No after school care.

Have you spoken to other parents to demonstrate a demand for an after school club?

Also does the school offer additional activities after school?

Netball
Football
Hockey
Chess
Karate
and art clubs?

Local schools offer this until 16:45 each evening in addition to the after school club

Yorkshiremum80 · 25/07/2025 15:21

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 09:47

It’s common to have good wrap around care at local schools, it isn’t free, it’s £6.70 per hour but you can use your tax free childcare account to make payments which is helpful.

The after school club has been run for 25 years so it’s not a new thing.

The next nearest school has wrap around care from 7:45 to 17:45.

The next nearest schools wrap around care starts at 7:30 until 17:30.

After reading your response I have looked around and can’t actually see any local schools that don’t offer comprehensive wrap around care at primary school.

Even the local Catholic School has wrap around care from 7:15 to 17:00.

Perhaps going to the private education sector means that you are unaware of the good quality state provision out there!

We have 2 primary schools in our village both have a breakfast club with very limited spaces from 8am but that's it. No after school care.

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 11:55

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 10:05

That's great that it's changed since I needed it. DD is old enough to not need childcare now.

At £6.70 an hour, that wrap-around is a bit more expensive per hour than most holiday clubs (which you can usually also use the tax free account for). Since the longer holidays are due to longer school days, it balances out. So affordability of holiday clubs isn't an argument against longer holidays - you're paying for the childcare hours either way.

So it should be whatever is best for the kids - recognising that different things will suit different kids/families. Personally, I like the longer holidays and they work well for DD. ymmv.

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There is a big difference between wrap around care for school and its costs compared to £50 per day per child for holidays clubs, and many of them do not accept tax free childcare payments (my youngest daughter does a premiership football club camp) which is shorter in length and doesn’t accept payments from my tax free childcare account.

The existing six weeks holidays already has a negative impact on children’s education:

What is the Summer Slide?
The summer slide refers to the academic skills and knowledge that students lose when they are away from school for an extended period, like the summer break. It's a well-documented phenomenon, with studies showing that students can lose significant ground in their learning, particularly in math and literacy. This loss can lead to a struggle to re-engage with learning when school resumes.

How significant is the Summer Slide?
The extent of learning loss varies, but some research indicates that:
Students may lose an average of one month of academic progress during the summer.

In some cases, students can lose up to two grade levels of reading skills by the end of Year 6 if they don't engage in learning activities during the summer.

Factors contributing to the Summer Slide:
Lack of structured learning:
The absence of a consistent school routine and structured learning environment can contribute to forgetting previously learned material.

Limited access to resources:
Some students may not have access to books, educational materials, or technology at home, which can hinder their ability to maintain their skills.

Reduced opportunities for practice:
Summer holidays often mean less opportunity to practice reading, writing, and mathematical skills, leading to a decline in proficiency.

MrsSunshine2b · 25/07/2025 10:17

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/07/2025 05:57

The problem is a lot of parents don't deal with their kids, last Christmas in our area which is a nice area, we had no end of cases of ferals vandalising people's garden decorations, stealing Xmas inflatables altogether or leaving them ripped and broken and little kids in tears! The more holidays there are the more people now have to tolerate crap behaviour from people's kids. Kids creeping around on other people's properties late at night and terrorising pensioners because it's the holidays and too many parents don't care where their 12 year old is at 10.30pm!

I wasn't really talking about vandalism and theft, I'm talking more about Primary School children who are going wild with glitter and refusing to focus on anything except Santa and what he might be bringing them. It's cute until it's not! It was tongue in cheek, they are not terrible, they are just exhausted and over-excited and desperately need a break.

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 10:05

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 09:47

It’s common to have good wrap around care at local schools, it isn’t free, it’s £6.70 per hour but you can use your tax free childcare account to make payments which is helpful.

The after school club has been run for 25 years so it’s not a new thing.

The next nearest school has wrap around care from 7:45 to 17:45.

The next nearest schools wrap around care starts at 7:30 until 17:30.

After reading your response I have looked around and can’t actually see any local schools that don’t offer comprehensive wrap around care at primary school.

Even the local Catholic School has wrap around care from 7:15 to 17:00.

Perhaps going to the private education sector means that you are unaware of the good quality state provision out there!

That's great that it's changed since I needed it. DD is old enough to not need childcare now.

At £6.70 an hour, that wrap-around is a bit more expensive per hour than most holiday clubs (which you can usually also use the tax free account for). Since the longer holidays are due to longer school days, it balances out. So affordability of holiday clubs isn't an argument against longer holidays - you're paying for the childcare hours either way.

So it should be whatever is best for the kids - recognising that different things will suit different kids/families. Personally, I like the longer holidays and they work well for DD. ymmv.

Legomania · 25/07/2025 09:51

diterictur · 25/07/2025 09:36

What bad luck for you - but it's not representative of state primaries. Even a few years ago most had wraparound. The schools in our area of London have had wraparound for over a decade plus

I live in a London commuter town and out of the five state primaries we looked at a few years ago, only one offered both morning and evening wraparound from reception. It is by no means standard.

envbeckyc · 25/07/2025 09:47

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:53

My daughter’s state school offers wrap around care from 7:30 until 18:00 for working parents.

Lucky you. You must know that's unusual.

Is it free and available to all children who want it? Even more unusual.

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It’s common to have good wrap around care at local schools, it isn’t free, it’s £6.70 per hour but you can use your tax free childcare account to make payments which is helpful.

The after school club has been run for 25 years so it’s not a new thing.

The next nearest school has wrap around care from 7:45 to 17:45.

The next nearest schools wrap around care starts at 7:30 until 17:30.

After reading your response I have looked around and can’t actually see any local schools that don’t offer comprehensive wrap around care at primary school.

Even the local Catholic School has wrap around care from 7:15 to 17:00.

Perhaps going to the private education sector means that you are unaware of the good quality state provision out there!

diterictur · 25/07/2025 09:36

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 09:34

Sounds like a great initiative. Well done Conservatives. Hope Labour don't pull it.

It unfortunately didn’t exist a few years ago when I needed it, and the state schools told me that I could apply for wrap around when DD started, and if I was lucky I'd get one or two evenings a week within 6 months of starting.

The alternative was a childminder, which is more expensive than the extra holiday camps would be (per hour - since extra holiday camp hours replace after school hours)

But if that's no longer needed, that's great.

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What bad luck for you - but it's not representative of state primaries. Even a few years ago most had wraparound. The schools in our area of London have had wraparound for over a decade plus

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 09:34

diterictur · 25/07/2025 08:59

It's not that unusual.

Most state primaries have wraparound care.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/289m-wraparound-childcare-scheme-what-schools-need-to-know/

Our state primary offers 7:30-6:30 and it's not unusual in this area

Sounds like a great initiative. Well done Conservatives. Hope Labour don't pull it.

It unfortunately didn’t exist a few years ago when I needed it, and the state schools told me that I could apply for wrap around when DD started, and if I was lucky I'd get one or two evenings a week within 6 months of starting.

The alternative was a childminder, which is more expensive than the extra holiday camps would be (per hour - since extra holiday camp hours replace after school hours)

But if that's no longer needed, that's great.

noblegiraffe · 25/07/2025 09:02

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/07/2025 08:56

You keep doing that though, you complained about Italy having 13 weeks and then back peddled and then you said schools are too hot for kids in the summer and they should be at home and now you are in denial again. You can't pretend you didn't want these things everytime you are told about the impracticalities of these things!

Did you even read the OP?

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diterictur · 25/07/2025 08:59

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:53

My daughter’s state school offers wrap around care from 7:30 until 18:00 for working parents.

Lucky you. You must know that's unusual.

Is it free and available to all children who want it? Even more unusual.

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It's not that unusual.

Most state primaries have wraparound care.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/289m-wraparound-childcare-scheme-what-schools-need-to-know/

Our state primary offers 7:30-6:30 and it's not unusual in this area

£289m wraparound childcare scheme: need to know for schools

Schools will be 'central' to the scheme - but not all primaries will have to deliver childcare

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/289m-wraparound-childcare-scheme-what-schools-need-to-know/

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/07/2025 08:56

noblegiraffe · 25/07/2025 08:52

That's not what I said.

You keep doing that though, you complained about Italy having 13 weeks and then back peddled and then you said schools are too hot for kids in the summer and they should be at home and now you are in denial again. You can't pretend you didn't want these things everytime you are told about the impracticalities of these things!

strawberrybubblegum · 25/07/2025 08:53

My daughter’s state school offers wrap around care from 7:30 until 18:00 for working parents.

Lucky you. You must know that's unusual.

Is it free and available to all children who want it? Even more unusual.

noblegiraffe · 25/07/2025 08:52

FlyMeSomewhere · 25/07/2025 05:47

But you saying you want the schools closed when it's too hot and that could include June and could include September. If you want the kids off school in high temperatures, you are talking about months and so it doesn't really work to cite that as a reason.

That's not what I said.

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