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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
TwoIsNewFive · 20/07/2025 22:22

YANBU in wanting to get someone with you before labour.

YABU to expect your FIL to miss his plans to play a last minute backup of the backup.

YABU "hashing it out" with him. What positive impact could that bring?

Btw, what was the respite plan, to send your mum home, or to have both of them there and hope she would had sit it out?
I suppose your best choice was to just ask her to get some rest when you both were there, so she would be available for the main task.

MummyJ36 · 20/07/2025 22:09

A lot has been said already so perhaps I’m repeating what has been said even though I’d RTFT. It is not unreasonable to ask for help on an ad-hoc basis like this, particularly for major life events like a baby being born. All I can say is, we all reap what we sow. You FIL is within his rights to do whatever he wants, but years down the line when he likely needs family support in his old age, so will you.

It sounds like your DM has been lovely and done what she can. It is normal for mums to want to help out, even if they are not in the best health themselves. It’s just what mums do. And I’m sure you have been there for her over the years and will continue to be.

Blessthismess2 · 20/07/2025 21:59

Frazzled83 · 20/07/2025 16:29

It was clear to me OP, I think we’re just enjoying some faux outrage here. You know the four Yorkshiremen sketch from Monty python? This is the mumsnet version
“OP - how dare you ask a family member to help out at a vulnerable time! I’ve raised 12 children, all while building an extension with my bare hands, growing my own food and I’ve got no legs and one eye! And I’ve never complained or had any help with anything ever!’ 😅

Ahahaha

Mamabear23679 · 20/07/2025 21:52

I think you’re acting very entitled OP.

He had plans. Why should he change them ? You then ask him to travel 2 hours to you on a Saturday morning when he has been out the night before ?!

The fact you said he should come to help out so your Mother can have a break …. Like you think you’re entitled to have someone at your beck and call because you’ve just had a baby ? If your mother needs a break , send her home and cope with your children like other mothers do. You decided to have a 3rd child - not your mother or your FIL. They have had their children, this is their time and I think you’re very unreasonable to think you can make demands on them like that.

If you couldn’t come with “childcare” ( aka parenting) along with the housework, without someone to help you , then you shouldn’t have had a third child

NameChangedForThis2025 · 20/07/2025 21:51

This thread is nuts.

If you can’t expect a bit of help from your parents when you’re giving birth, when can you? Bar them being ill/frail or having some other critical life event booked (does not include going to a work party/being hungover) of course. I would have thought making an extra effort to help out a child/sibling/other immediate family member during the birth of a child is a fairly low bar really.

HauntedMarshmallow · 20/07/2025 21:15

ItsFridayIminLoveJS · 20/07/2025 14:44

Gosh.. im 66.. never ever expected any help.. we just got on with it.. my Mum raised 5 of us and got on with it.. my Aunty raised 9.. her husband worked shifts down the pit...your choice to have 3.. just get on with it.

Oh good, the ‘just get on with it brigade.’

It was actually more common in the past for families to help each other out. My DH spent loads of time being looked after by Aunties and Grandparents.

Not everyone wants to do that which is fine but life is not a race to the bottom. Just because no one was kind enough to help you out doesn’t mean nobody else should ever get any help.

Op was clear that they have had one evening to themselves in four years and you begrudge them that.

Some people’s circumstances mean that sadly they can never receive family help. But where people do have family who just can’t be arsed, there is no need to be so proud of it. It’s very sad.

Grandparents shouldn’t be used as a substitute for paid childcare but I am of the view that people shouldn’t have kids if they don’t want to be supportive of them after the age of 18 or when they have kids of their own.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 21:13

Praying4Peace · 20/07/2025 21:10

OP asked for help for while she was in hospital giving birth!
I wouldn't consider this to be expecting alot

No she didnt

MarioLink · 20/07/2025 21:12

He said it pretty well with "I'm not at your beck and call".

PorridgeAndSyrup · 20/07/2025 21:11

You're getting some harsh responses here OP. Perhaps they didn't read the OP properly... if not then I feel sad for these people that they think it's so unreasonable to ask your parents to babysit your older child FOR THE BIRTH OF YOUR SECOND CHILD, so that you don't have to give birth alone! Also from reading Mumsnet I'm surprised at how many people live within an hour of their parents... I too live several hours away from both sets of parents, with virtually no support network nearby, so when our DC2 was due, our mums took it in turns staying with us so there'd be someone home for DC1 if we needed to go to hospital in the middle of the night (which we did).

So, was your FIL unreasonable to prioritise his work's do over a once-off overnight stay to babysit for the birth of his second grandson? Absolutely.

That said, you're really not going to get anywhere arguing with him. He's clearly a selfish cnut and you won't change him.

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 21:11

Timetochillnow · 20/07/2025 21:06

Baby arrived a couple of days ago so partner should either be on paternity leave or weekend off anyway

Yes but she’s complaining about his failure to come to relieve her mother for a few days in the run up to the baby’s birth. That’s why they ghosted him and didn’t tell him about the baby’s birth but she’s subsequently lost her shit and phoned him to bollock him for letting them down a few weeks ago.

None of this is about a need for the FIL to come now.

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 21:11

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 21:02

You can absolutely ask your parents, and they are allowed to say no.

The difference between your situation and OP’s is that your parents and family do want to help- hers don’t. I’ve got absolutely no issue whatsoever with parents helping, my mum was amazing when my daughter was born, but I never asked or expected her to do anything- she offered and came because she wanted to. If she hadn’t wanted to then that’s absolutely fine, she doesn’t owe me anything.

You can ask whoever you want, and they can say no. They don’t owe you anything hence why the most reliable option is paid childcare because then you DO have a firm contract in place and a plan.

I disagree. If you’re able to help your family out you should. OP has a reasons to be disappointed because his reasons not to help are just him not wanting to. That’s fine. And her being disappointed in him is also fine. If your parents refused on the grounds that they just simply didn’t want to even though they could I’m pretty certain you too would be disappointed.

Praying4Peace · 20/07/2025 21:10

Azandme · 20/07/2025 14:45

This.

He had a valid reason not to come, he had plans. They involved a late night, and alcohol, so he didn't want to do Saturday morning either.

Help is nice, but you seem to ask for a hell of a lot considering you don't think you ask for much...

OP asked for help for while she was in hospital giving birth!
I wouldn't consider this to be expecting alot

Timetochillnow · 20/07/2025 21:06

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 20:03

Even if FIL had agreed to come, he was asked to come on Saturday and go home on Sunday. He lives a 2 hour train journey away and the OP is in London so presumably there is also time needed to cross London to get to her.

So best case scenario he would have arrived Saturday around lunchtime and left mid afternoon on Sunday. As OP apparently needed two adults with her at all times due to the risk of going into precipitous labour, the knackered and exhausted 72 year old mum was only going to get about 12 hours in her own home after a long drive there and back. Hardly the respite OP is saying she needed!

Why could knackered mum not be told to put her feet up and totally relax from OP’s husband finishing work on Friday evening to him going back in on Monday morning. With not so much as a tea towel to be lifted and cups of tea and all meals made for her. Far more refreshing and if the baby did arrive over the weekend, she’d have had no school run to do and a much easier time of it

Honestly this is a real drama over not much!

Baby arrived a couple of days ago so partner should either be on paternity leave or weekend off anyway

MarxistMags · 20/07/2025 21:03

I can't believe how rude the majority of messages have been towards you. You only needed someone to look after the kids in case you had to go to the hospital in the middle of the night. Your Mum was there to cover the eventuality. Then you though FIL could cover for a few days to help you and give your mum respite. What is wrong with that ? Nothing.
Then FIL never got in touch to ask how baby and you were. Even 3 weeks down the line. Everything else you have coped with, both of you, on your own with little help.
Congratulations on new baby.
You are managing well it seems to me. xxx

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 21:02

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:55

Why on earth would you go for a paid or friends option before you would ask your own parents? Your previous post about uprooting them is hilarious. As if she is forcing them to move from another country which btw you’d burn some of us at the stake because we have parents who do fly over and stay with us for months helping out. I’m so glad I’m part of a family and network that looks after each other.

You can absolutely ask your parents, and they are allowed to say no.

The difference between your situation and OP’s is that your parents and family do want to help- hers don’t. I’ve got absolutely no issue whatsoever with parents helping, my mum was amazing when my daughter was born, but I never asked or expected her to do anything- she offered and came because she wanted to. If she hadn’t wanted to then that’s absolutely fine, she doesn’t owe me anything.

You can ask whoever you want, and they can say no. They don’t owe you anything hence why the most reliable option is paid childcare because then you DO have a firm contract in place and a plan.

Timetochillnow · 20/07/2025 21:02

I'm sorry if I’m missing something but as I understand it your mum has kindly helped for two weeks as requested by you, and a couple of days ago you birthed your 3rd child.
Mum is now tired and has completed her requested shift for you.
why do you need to cover a break for her before she returns to you - she’s done her time.
has your OH taken parental leave? Surely you are now covered by him?

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 21:02

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:55

Why on earth would you go for a paid or friends option before you would ask your own parents? Your previous post about uprooting them is hilarious. As if she is forcing them to move from another country which btw you’d burn some of us at the stake because we have parents who do fly over and stay with us for months helping out. I’m so glad I’m part of a family and network that looks after each other.

Yes, that’s great that you don’t exhaust your family so much that they need to go home for respite, perhaps you could give the OP some tips?

Because her own mother had had enough.

Maybe that’s why her family are not so willing?

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:55

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:49

She wasn’t attempting to take responsibility, she was trying to make FIL take responsibility 😂

Taking responsibility in this situation looks like sorting out paid and organised emergency childcare to cover this period, or asking friends/neighbours who live locally. We have been emergency childcare for 2 of our friends, another of our friends had to use paid childcare as due to timings nobody was available- birth doesn’t come as a shock, you have 9 months to prepare and make plans. You can absolutely ask family but they can absolutely say no and the only acceptable answer to that is “okay, thanks anyway”.

Why on earth would you go for a paid or friends option before you would ask your own parents? Your previous post about uprooting them is hilarious. As if she is forcing them to move from another country which btw you’d burn some of us at the stake because we have parents who do fly over and stay with us for months helping out. I’m so glad I’m part of a family and network that looks after each other.

Thanksforyourlackofthought · 20/07/2025 20:51

Sorry, gave up on this early on. My Dc is 22 now. All family were crap so we got on with it. Live rurally so no baby sitters. No romantic meals out. Nothing. Still standing though! It is what it is.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:50

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 20/07/2025 20:47

Oh what utter rubbish. Birth is still medicalised but women are sent home far too early. It's not misogynistic to think that labour and birth are often hugely traumatising and take a long time to recover from. Maybe if I'd been in hospital someone might have noticed that I had an infection and I wouldn't have been left with a temperature of over 40C while trying to care for a newborn and toddler.

You didnt need to be in hospital for that, if women had daily midwife visits for a set time after birth that would be supportive and aid recovery, but of course that centres women, rather than a system designed by men so you know, thats not going to happen.

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:49

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:42

It is irrelevant because it speaks to the apathetic attitude I would even say almost punishing attitude towards this mum so needed help during a vulnerable time. She has assumed responsibility and was attempting make arrangements with useless FIL.

She wasn’t attempting to take responsibility, she was trying to make FIL take responsibility 😂

Taking responsibility in this situation looks like sorting out paid and organised emergency childcare to cover this period, or asking friends/neighbours who live locally. We have been emergency childcare for 2 of our friends, another of our friends had to use paid childcare as due to timings nobody was available- birth doesn’t come as a shock, you have 9 months to prepare and make plans. You can absolutely ask family but they can absolutely say no and the only acceptable answer to that is “okay, thanks anyway”.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:49

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:46

What a lot of hateful assumptions about two people you clearly know nothing about. You should take some time off.

Why?

Because they’ve chosen an option and want everyone else to make it work?

They can’t even afford a babysitter for two but are having a third?

Sorry, but some of us take responsibility for our actions and don’t get the arse and stop talking to our parents, because they’ve chosen to continue with their own pre arranged plans.

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 20/07/2025 20:47

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:39

Women used to be in hospitals for 2 weeks due to decision making by men about what women needed, a hugely misogynistic view about women's ability to have a child. Medicalised and pathologised.

Oh what utter rubbish. Birth is still medicalised but women are sent home far too early. It's not misogynistic to think that labour and birth are often hugely traumatising and take a long time to recover from. Maybe if I'd been in hospital someone might have noticed that I had an infection and I wouldn't have been left with a temperature of over 40C while trying to care for a newborn and toddler.

C10000 · 20/07/2025 20:47

mamagogo1 · 20/07/2025 20:46

Your FIL had plans, he doesn’t need to put them on hold. Grandparents don’t have to help, that’s the reality. Choosing to have 3 children is your choice and only yours. My dc know I will love any grandchild they give me but that’s it, no ongoing childcare, and if I do help on occasional times they know i have a life

This

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:46

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:39

It’s her third child as I said previously, if she feels that bloody put upon and zero support, then she should’ve considered having one or two.

Of course it’s relevant!

You honestly sound bitter and like women can’t choose to stop having children if they feel so put upon.

What a lot of hateful assumptions about two people you clearly know nothing about. You should take some time off.