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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 15:29

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:53

So many posters here are missing the point entirely! Sure, the guy can do what he likes and he doesn't owe his son and DIL anything. It's just that he is choosing to be an utter c**t. That's the point OP is making. Showing some interest in his newborn grandchild surely should be a normal thing. At least you know where you stand @Starlightbright200

No he isnt.

He wasnt available, and in reality he didnt need to be available, his own son could be available, thats what happens usually one parent parents their children

He was given cold response when he quite reasonably said he wasnt available and couldnt do what was being asked. So then quite reasonably he feels perhaps he cant enquire about how the birth went or sympathise that things werent great, because no doubt he would have got a cold shoulder again, or a mouthful

So he doesnt contact and then he gets OP pestering his partner to say why hasnt he been in touch. So he sends a message via his partners SM to which OP then says he shouldnt be communicating via OP, even though she is the one who's been chasing him and to communicate with his son. Then she chooses to have it out with him.

Where is the partner with this, is he as pissed off or is this just OP and if he is, whats his role in looking after his own children?

Mixed messages all the way from the OP, not to mention huge sense of entitlement

Radioundermypillow · 20/07/2025 15:28

I'd be thinking about what I could do to support my MIL and my mum, tbh.

oudle · 20/07/2025 15:28

Her mum needs respite because she's 72 and going through chemo, and her adult daughter roped her in to providing two weeks of totally unnecessary support.

I thought the MIL had cancer but either way it's not the FILs fault.

Darragon · 20/07/2025 15:27

But you didn't need anyone there. If you've no childcare for your birth, you just go to the hospital by yourself, you're an adult, why do you need someone at the hospital? It didn't even occur to us to summon relatives from afar to watch our first child when I went into labour with DC2, I just went to hospital in a taxi and got a taxi home and DH... parented his kid.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:26

OP I can't understand your post.

You said you needed childcare in case you went into labour in the night. That's fair enough, and your mum was there. You asked her to come, and she did, which most mums would do.

So why did you also need your FIL?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:26

oudle · 20/07/2025 15:23

We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come bac

It's not your FILs responsibility to provide respite for your mum though & why does your mum need respite, that's the odd bit.

Her mum needs respite because she's 72 and going through chemo, and her adult daughter roped her in to providing two weeks of totally unnecessary support.

Grim, isn't it?

Doggymummar · 20/07/2025 15:24

KillerMounjaro · 20/07/2025 15:07

What does FKD mean?

Fucked, hungover one assumes

oudle · 20/07/2025 15:23

We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come bac

It's not your FILs responsibility to provide respite for your mum though & why does your mum need respite, that's the odd bit.

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 15:22

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:19

my partner did do it after work, she just kept trying to be useful. I didn’t ask her to do anything she even said no I can’t sit still when I said please relax. Her only request from me was could she collect the children if I went into labour or stay in the house to watch them if I end up in hospital. I dont think my post made that clear although I thought I had. I’m not looking for long term child care it was just for the prep of my labour.

Then this is your mother’s fault. She’s worn herself out doing housework to the point where a fourth adult has to be brought in.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 15:21

You have contradicted yourself so much in your OP I dont even know where to start.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:21

It was unreasonable to expect him not to go to his work do

And from what you've said, offering a different weekend would be pointless because it was just to cover 2 weeks before you went into labour

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:21

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

So why did your mum need to stay for two weeks? And why did you feel the need to call your FIL and "hash it out" with him?

Your story doesn't make sense.

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 20/07/2025 15:20

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

Which you did, because your mum was there wasn’t she? 🤷‍♀️

oudle · 20/07/2025 15:19

I think I get a fair bit of family help but I would never expect a parent to stay with me for 2 wks!

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:19

Omeara · 20/07/2025 14:53

Why was your Mum soing the housework and not your partner?

my partner did do it after work, she just kept trying to be useful. I didn’t ask her to do anything she even said no I can’t sit still when I said please relax. Her only request from me was could she collect the children if I went into labour or stay in the house to watch them if I end up in hospital. I dont think my post made that clear although I thought I had. I’m not looking for long term child care it was just for the prep of my labour.

OP posts:
Horses7 · 20/07/2025 15:18

We didn’t have child 3 because we couldn’t afford it and both had to work full time.
You can’t expect others to fall in line for your childcare and other demands - make other arrangements and be prepared to pay for them.
Beware having child number 4.

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2025 15:17

* I would be down to help any of my DC for anything they needed.*

you cannot possibly know yet what you will or will not do in 20/30 years time

FloofyBird · 20/07/2025 15:17

You said you were doing all the childcare whilst your mum was doing all the house stuff in the two weeks before your due date, but now you're saying you were at work until the due date. Where is your dh in all this?

GAJLY · 20/07/2025 15:17

You're both expecting too much. He's never going to visit and help, he doesn't want to. If you're struggling, don't have any more. I don't have a good support network either. I have disengaged parents on both sides. Yes it's hurtful, but they had their kids and didn't make mine! I stopped at 2, because I struggled some times, without family help. There's no need to fall out, just be civil.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

swiveleyedtransphobe · 20/07/2025 14:44

Why do you need help? I had 3 kids and never had any help at all, just me and DH, had to get on with it, grandparents were not interested and never babysat

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

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Thunderpants88 · 20/07/2025 15:16

Agree with others. We have a lot of help from people nearby who want to spend time with their grandchildren (all retired) and we have 4 under 6 HOWEVER if they all point blank refused any help tomorrow I wouldn’t be annoyed or resentful. We chose to have 4 children because that is what we want with the full knowledge that we have the captivity to cope alone. Expecting someone to drop their plans to accommodate yours is very entitled and you are trying to use your husbands fathers past actions in some kind of “owes him” going forward. The two have nothing to do with each other. He was a shite Dad to your DH. That’s a separate issue to you thinking he owes you guys now.

he has good boundaries which it sounds like he need to have with you.

NoSoapJustUseShowerGel · 20/07/2025 15:16

I think you’re expecting a bit too much help. You chose to have a third child. If the reason for your mum being there was for childcare at the point you went into labour, then that’s all you needed - your fil didn’t need to be there. If your mum was exhausted from housework, you tell her to stop working and relax.

eta clearly there’s a strained relationship between your husband and his dad that needs addressing and I can understand that he seems to not care, but you didn’t need him there when you had your mum.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:16

Delphiniumandlupins · 20/07/2025 15:15

Presumably fucked, as in drunk/hungover/recovering from a hangover

Yes it was this.

OP posts:
Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:15

ACatNamedRobin · 20/07/2025 14:41

Ok but everyone must think that you're happy enough with the status quo as regards childcare and support, since you're having/have had your third child??

Yes we didn’t want a long term solution we just needed him to be there incase I went into labour so my mum wasn’t the only person to reach out to.

OP posts:
Delphiniumandlupins · 20/07/2025 15:15

KillerMounjaro · 20/07/2025 15:07

What does FKD mean?

Presumably fucked, as in drunk/hungover/recovering from a hangover

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