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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
FluffykinsTheFerociousFeralFelineFury · 20/07/2025 15:54

You need to stop thinking of other adults as being your servants.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:54

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

be that as it may but don't use your mother and work her into the ground so much that she needs respite after 2 weeks grafting and they have to draft the next culprit in for the "heavy lifting".

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:53

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:51

And because her DM couldn't just leave things alone even when asked

Maybe she was sick of being stuck in someone else's home with two small children and just wanted to do something?

Let's not blame the 72 year old for this. OP and her husband should have arranged a better solution for their kids.

Bloodorangey · 20/07/2025 15:53

You talk like having children is an obligation! Like you are doing everyone a favour by procreating and it’s a trump card to reprioritisie everything around you / your family.

Robin67 · 20/07/2025 15:52

He sounds like a tosser. I would not want such a person in charge of my kids at any point

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 15:51

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:26

Her mum needs respite because she's 72 and going through chemo, and her adult daughter roped her in to providing two weeks of totally unnecessary support.

Grim, isn't it?

And because her DM couldn't just leave things alone even when asked

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:50

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

Then OP and her husband should have arranged for paid childcare, not relied on a 72 year old or a man who works full-time Hmm

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 20/07/2025 15:49

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

The child was born a couple of days ago.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:49

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

She gave birth a couple of days ago.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 20/07/2025 15:49

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:45

I mean, that's the reality for lots of people with no family support and multiple children.

OP and her husband could always arrange paid childcare.

I'm a retired midwife and practically no women arrived in labour without their husband.

Even one whose husband was in prison managed to get emergency leave from the prison.

Women prefer the love and support of the baby's father with them.

Branleuse · 20/07/2025 15:47

Could you consider a home birth since its a 3rd child? If its a low risk pregnancy, at least you wouldnt need to have childcare

ginasevern · 20/07/2025 15:46

For fuck sake stop having kids. This is such an entitled post. How good of you to put your 72 year old mum out to grass after she's looked after 2 small kids and a household for 2 weeks. I don't blame your FIL - he's not getting you pregnant!

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 15:46

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

Its not ideal but given that she nor her husband arranged local child care, its what would need to happen.

At a push, she could have gone off in the taxi, and OPs mother, if fit and well enough, could have made the 2 hour journey down, then the husband is free to go up to the hospital once she arrives.

Thats common sense. Not having this frail elderly person living with you for weeks on end for no purpose. I would get exhausted if I had to stay in someones house, housework or no housework. I need my own space, and the woman is ill as well.

Horrendous.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:45

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

I mean, that's the reality for lots of people with no family support and multiple children.

OP and her husband could always arrange paid childcare.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 20/07/2025 15:44

The world has sadly changed
From the baby boomers growing up where they often had family close, helping, less family at work, lots of support, but you asked and he said no.

Oh FFS now it's the baby boomers fault again. Ermm, lovely rose tinted spectacles. I am 67 years old. My mother had NO family help for birth or raising 3 children, and there was neither maternity nor paternity leave. And she wasn't alone. Women who could work often did, and were not available to help out. There was no free childcare and nobody could afford nurseries even where they existed. You sorted out your own children and if you were very lucky you might have had a family member help for a few hours from time to time. Most SAHM were that becayse they had no other choice.

Swan6 · 20/07/2025 15:43

Only have the children you can raise yourself
They are your children,your responsibility
Not your fil responsibility
Not your mother's responsibility
It's 3 kids ,not a class full

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:43

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 15:39

But the OP’s mother is there to look after the other children so that the husband can go to the birth. That’s why she is there.

But she is worn out from all the housework.

Yeah I get that and there’s no good reason why the OP’s mother has got that exhausted. But I was responding to the post which suggested that the OP doesn’t need her dp at the birth that she should just trot off to hospital in a taxi when she goes into labour.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 15:42

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:40

we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work.

Why did the poor woman 'really need a rest' though?

It sounds as though your FIL can see you're taking advantage of your mum and he won't allow you and your DH to do the same to him.

Fair play.

Exactly. The entitlement just blows my mind, in all honesty.

Applesonthelawn · 20/07/2025 15:41

The problem is your expectations. Yes he may well be useless, but he's allowed to be and you have no comeback, because his child rearing days are over. If he was useless when he had small children himself, all the more reason for you never to rely on him. Just accept the situation as it is and you'll have far less stress. Stop expecting him to suddenly change into a different person for you.

JLou08 · 20/07/2025 15:41

Some of these comments are harsh.
I dont think you were wrong to want help but I also don't think your FIL was wrong to refuse to help when he had plans, it doesn't sound like he has been a great father to your DH but that's another matter.
I can really appreciate you wanting your mum to come and stay. It's normal to not want to be alone when giving birth and it's normal for the father to want to be there. I do think DH should have maybe stepped up a bit with the housework to stop your mum becoming so tired.

user4287964265 · 20/07/2025 15:41

It does sound a bit like you’ve had more kids than you can cope with OP. We have no grandparents that are capable of any assistance, (dead or health issues of their own) so thats why we only had two…We had to have a nanny during the daytime and babysitters in the evening, it’s just how it was for us. Family help would have been fab but just wasn't possible. You’re lucky you have help at all.

beAsensible1 · 20/07/2025 15:40

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:19

my partner did do it after work, she just kept trying to be useful. I didn’t ask her to do anything she even said no I can’t sit still when I said please relax. Her only request from me was could she collect the children if I went into labour or stay in the house to watch them if I end up in hospital. I dont think my post made that clear although I thought I had. I’m not looking for long term child care it was just for the prep of my labour.

yhe Solution was to get your mum to come down 2/3 days before due date not 2 weeks.

asking FIL (who is famously absent) last minute was a losing plan.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 15:40

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:17

We don’t want long term help we just needed someone at home for the arrival of the baby if I went into labour at early hours or whilst one was at school and needed collecting

we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work.

Why did the poor woman 'really need a rest' though?

It sounds as though your FIL can see you're taking advantage of your mum and he won't allow you and your DH to do the same to him.

Fair play.

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 15:39

A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite

he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman

Sounds like you worked your mother into the ground when she was there so much so she needed respite.

How 2 fully functional adults need that level of care is mindblowing. You did not need your FIL there in case you went into labour, you suggested he would do some heavy lifting while your mother recovered from doing it.

This is not about having someone in your home on standby in case you went into labour and more about having unpaid help on tap.

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 15:39

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 15:32

Seriously? I mean most women would like the support of their partner while they’re in labour. Most men would like to see their kid being born. Sure if there’s no alternative then there isn’t but I don’t think someone asking their parent to help in this situation is unreasonable. It’s great you weren’t bothered but I can promise you that’s unusual.

I’ve been a midwife for 20 years and the only times I’ve looked after women without a partner being there then the guy is either in the army, in prison, very unexpectedly held up somewhere, seriously ill in hospital or they have split up.

I have never known a woman labour on her own just because the dad was at home with an older kid.

But the OP’s mother is there to look after the other children so that the husband can go to the birth. That’s why she is there.

But she is worn out from all the housework.

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