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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Mischance · 20/07/2025 16:25

I think you need to plan for being more independent from either family who have their own different reasons for not being able to help much.

I had 3 children and no family anywhere near - and a partner who was working in the hospital all the hours that god sends. When I had my third I had primed a friend (a mum of friend of my first two) to help if I went into labour with the third and needed help with the children. It all worked out fine. But I had planned on no family help, because there was none to be had.

In order to avoid bad feelings it might be best if you set your sights on being independent of family help and then any that comes your way can be treated as a bonus.

MyJollySloth · 20/07/2025 16:25

I’m so sorry that so many people are being awful in this thread to you. I’m going through a similar situation as my family is abroad, I’m current 35 weeks pregnant and my in-laws which are the only family nearby living 10 minutes away are going on holiday for a couple of weeks when I’m at full term. Funny thing is that they never travel in the summer holidays as it’s expensive but this year, all of a sudden when we MOST needed them, they will. They did something similar when I had my first child but when I was due to return to work and him start nursery. They booked a cruise for the week nursery was about to start and I was starting work even though they hate and criticise people who go on cruises! We had no back up and I was just really struggling mentally.

I’m terrified of going to labour alone and my husband would like to go with me. If I go into labour at night like you did my DS wouldn’t have childcare and I would have to make my way to the labour ward on my own. This is just NOT ok and I totally get that you’re expecting family to help. We weren’t made to just fend for ourselves or get on with it, this mentality is just cold, cruel, selfish and insensitive. Good thing is that you have your mum with you this time round and hopefully your husband won’t miss the arrival of your third child.

Wishing you the best!

T1Dmom · 20/07/2025 16:23

Yabu. Why have another child when you expect ao much support off others? You expected your mum to stay for two weeks and she was exhausted from running around after you all. Come on op. Dont be having anymore.

3luckystars · 20/07/2025 16:22

swiveleyedtransphobe · 20/07/2025 14:44

Why do you need help? I had 3 kids and never had any help at all, just me and DH, had to get on with it, grandparents were not interested and never babysat

Same here. No help and didn’t expect or want it either. My parents have done had their fair share of work already when raising us.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 20/07/2025 16:21

Get a grip. Why have another child if you expect and need so much support.

Frazzled83 · 20/07/2025 16:20

Sweet Jesus OP - some of the replies here are BRUTAL!

I can’t imagine that there was so much need for inter generational support in previous generations, where families tended to stay close to each other (geographically) and you could get a mortgage on one salary. However, my nan was an older mum, raised 3 children alone having been widowed very early and relied heavily on the support of nearby family. She then went on to help wherever she could when we were little. And my own mum moves heaven and earth to help wherever she can (while I’m respectful of her age and that she’s done her time with childcare so I don’t ask unless I really need it).

People are right that family don’t owe you anything but I’d be damned if I was going to let a fucking party get in the way of supporting either of my kids when they needed me. That’s how I was bought up & that’s the decent thing to do. I don’t think you were asking a massive thing and he sounds like an absolute dick (especially the ‘I’m never going to change’ comments - so basically, I acknowledge I’m a shit dad but he can just suck it up).

It sounds like your mum is lovely and that’s the blueprint you grew up with. No wonder you’re so shocked by your FILs dickhead behaviour. As someone else said, at least you know where you stand. If he’s made it clear he won’t go to any inconvenience to have a relationship with his son and grandchildren I wouldn’t put yourselves out either. Relationships are a two way street.

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 20/07/2025 16:20

Well, shame all round, but I wouldn't want the FiL looking after my kids even if he came with brass knobs on. Wouldn't you be better off just drawing a line under it Op, can you manage from now on? Just came back to edit I think I got wrong end of stick, so baby not been born yet? Hmm very difficult but mine went to a childminder who offered overnight stays when I was in labour.

JMSA · 20/07/2025 16:19

I can just imagine my maw’s reaction if I asked her to come and stay for two weeks before giving birth 😁

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:17

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:14

The childrens father was around. This isnt a case of a single parent with absolutely no one.

Yes, I'm not clear what he did, exactly.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 20/07/2025 16:17

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

This was before the baby was born I think?

ObliviousCoalmine · 20/07/2025 16:16

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 15:35

This is very weird thread. I have 3 children myself (one with special needs) and in the last 2 weeks of a pregnancy would have been more than capable of entertaining and looking after an elderly woman with chemo and keeping on top of the housework to the extent needed. There is no way on earth I’d have sat on my ass and let an elderly woman work herself on the point of exhaustion. Had the OP done her own housework for those 2 weeks, her mother would have been more than capable of the small amount of babysitting she thought she was volunteering for without any need of respite from the FIL.

entitled and lazy are my impressions here.

Women really are horrible to each other aren’t they.

TheMoonIsWensleydale · 20/07/2025 16:16

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/07/2025 15:57

Or maybe, rather than standing back, the OP who has had a difficult pregnancy was busy breastfeeding a newborn.

Not sure how she was breastfeeding a baby that hadn’t been born yet…

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:14

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

The childrens father was around. This isnt a case of a single parent with absolutely no one.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:14

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

That would have been a solution. Or pay someone.

gamerchick · 20/07/2025 16:14

I think unless you clear breeding with your family beforehand then you can't demand all hands on deck. You just cant OP. Expectations can make a lot of relationships go bad I think.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:13

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

Her husband could have stayed with his children until her mother arrived to take over?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:13

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 16:11

Every update is more confusing

Yep, the number of contradictions is ridiculous.

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:12

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

If you didnt expect her to do anything but sit and wait for the birth, then why was she living at yours at the time and what 'heavy lifting' did you expect your father in law to be doing instead of your mum because she was tired. Surely what you would have expected from him is that he is just on standby?

This is why your posts dont make sense. You should apologise to him and try to smooth it over. I notice as well you just make reference to your partner feeling his dad wasnt there at times when he was struggling. I wonder if he also has unreasonable expectations too, the two of you being similar perhaps and therefore there might be nothing lacking about his dad at all.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 16:11

Every update is more confusing

Livelovebehappy · 20/07/2025 16:09

I agree it would be nice for fil to show some interest after baby is born, but I don’t think he was wrong not to alter plans he already had which prevented him travelling to be around ‘just in case’. And it really isn’t fair to bully someone into changing their set plans when dh is also there to pick up slack if needed.

SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 16:08

everythingsnotmadeofgold · 20/07/2025 16:06

You said your mother did housework and you did childcare. If you and your husband were doing everything you normally do there would be nothing for your mother to do. The woman needed RESPITE fgs from the "heavy lifting" you wanted your FIL to do "rather than a 72 year old woman".

Yes, there's so much back peddling here, I'm surprised the OP hasn't re-entered Christmas.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:08

MagpieCastle · 20/07/2025 16:04

I feel for you because we had our first 2 dc abroad with no family help for the birth itself (though they visited soon after and were brilliant). It added another level of stress to the birth because it felt different relying on friends to help out so that dp could be there with me. By the time dc3 arrived we were back home & near family. During the birth they stepped in to look after dc1&2 so that dh could be at the hospital. I really appreciated it and, until that moment, hadn't fully realised how much that support meant because, like you and your dh, we'd previously been very self sufficient.

The main differences were proximity and age - we were within a 15 minute car ride of family. It might well have been different with longer distances and the support was provided by siblings. As I slide into my 60's, I'm becoming aware how my stamina levels have changed between 40 & 60 even without any major health issues (sincere apologies to those mumsnetters who are running marathons in their 60s/70s/80s). For my dc, I will certainly be there to step in whenever needed but am aware it will be with a different energy level.

Neither you nor FiL were unreasonable. The timing didn't work for your FiL but when you do see him he interacts well with dc. This doesn't need to be a transactional relationship but it means that you and your dh would need to be willing to accept (or not) his level of input. FiL possibly feels judged/maybe a bit guilty for not being able or willing to step up and fulfill a need for his ds. You (understandably) feel annoyed at his priorities.

To move forward a re-set would be useful to start with a clean slate and put this behind you. It's possible to be aware that he can't fulfil your expectations but can still have a place in your dc's/his son's life. Yep, that will probably involve visiting him not vice versa but he's unlikely to change. Maybe let dh be responsible for arranging visits to his dad? That way if the visits happen they happen but it doesn't need to be your problem to fix, It won't be perfect and might be irritating but perhaps beats not having him involved at all?

Thank you.

OP posts:
NoMatch4Me · 20/07/2025 16:08

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

I really don't understand this. Your midwife advised you to get extra help in as a precautionary childcare option 2 weeks before you were due because of a previous quick labour, yet was more than happy for you to continue working ON your due date? Considering you are doubling down on this being the reason why your mum was exhausted and your FIL is the devil... wasn't there as much concern that you could end up having your baby in the middle of your workplace where your DH would have missed it anyways?

Edited to add- the baby has been born, the issue is long gone now. Why are you still holding all this resentment in place for something YOU were unreasonable for. I just don't get this thread at all, sorry.

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 16:08

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

Why were you working so late? You are giving off mixed messages here. On one hand you were so worried the baby would come and you wouldn't have anyone available to help you got your mum to come two weeks before due date, but on the other hand you are now saying you weren't sat around and you were working right up til birth?! So can't have been expecting the baby to arrive early?
It does sound very much like you wanted mum to pick up the slack at home for a few weeks.