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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 16:52

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

But she hasn't? She asked her mum to come down 2 weeks before due date. While it now appears that she was still working. Despite being told by a midwife to have someone available.

The sensible thing would have been to wait til labour began. Rang her mum and she would have hopefully been able to come before the baby arrived so that DH could hand over the children and attend.

MaidOfSteel · 20/07/2025 16:51

If you’d gone into labour during the night and had no other help, then you could have gone to the hospital alone. There’s no law that says your partner must be there. He could stay at home with the kids, done the school run etc.

Cucy · 20/07/2025 16:50

YABU your FIL had plans and it’s unfair that you think he should cancel it.

I feel so sorry for your poor mum.
You have taken advantage of her, even though in your OP you admit that she’s older and doesn’t like doing it.

I’m actually shocked you this it’s acceptable to ask a 72yo woman to do this.

Your FIL is happy to stand up to you both but your poor mum sounds too nice for her own good.

You should try and have someone on stand by for it you went into labour during the night.
If you went into labour unexpectedly, then your DH would have to stay home and look after the kids.

It is lovely when we all support each other but you expect way too much, especially when you don’t live locally.

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:50

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

Yes, of course it is ok to ask, but it is not ok to get arsey when someone says no, because they have a prior commitment.

I always act as emergency back up to one of my neighbours, but I offer, she doesn't expect or demand. There is a crucial difference.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:50

JohnTheRevelator · 20/07/2025 16:48

Sorry but what does FKD mean?

Fucked. As in, hungover, tired.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:49

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

It's not "literally all she asked of anyone" - she roped her 72 year old mother into being there for two weeks and when that was too much for her, tried to get her FIL (who still works) to drop his plans and step in instead, then when he didn't, she rang him to "hash it out".

JohnTheRevelator · 20/07/2025 16:48

Sorry but what does FKD mean?

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:46

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

Why is the woman so exhausted, then?

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:45

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

Where was the emergency? She had her mother on standby but said she wanted her mum to rest.

He wasnt in a position to help, he didnt expect to be.

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:45

Glitchymn1 · 20/07/2025 15:13

I’ve got to be honest, I don’t think I’ll want to babysit either 🙈 DH and I have plans, to travel to possibly buy a second home somewhere. I’ll be around for any births but day to day, sorry I don’t want to be looking after a baby. Presumably they’ve all helped you with child one, child two and now child three- goodness it’s a big ask isn’t it.

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‘Being around for a birth’ is literally all the OP has asked of anyone. Her husband missed the birth of their second child, so OP’s mum has kindly stepped in to make sure the same thing doesn’t happen again. OP is not asking anyone for regular childcare or babysitting!

MyJollySloth · 20/07/2025 16:43

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

Thanks for talking some sense. I completely agree with you. No wonder today's world is full of mentally ill people. It’s so sad that people are so self absorbed into their own wills and desires but would sure appreciate help if they were going through tough times. I miss having my extended family nearby for this reason, much more warmth and empathy than my extended family in the UK.

Heronwatcher · 20/07/2025 16:43

Your FIL doesn’t want “that kind” of relationship with your kids. It’s his choice to make. He likely won’t have a hugely close relationship with them but that’s his chickens coming home to roost. Just see him when you see him, expect very little but stay out of the relationship between him and your DH. This is too much drama.

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:43

You are being completely unreasonable.

Three things....

  1. Why did you have baby no. 3 if you can't cope with the two you already had? You have chosen to be a family of five, there are two of you to look after your DCs. Sorry but it's time to get on with it and stop making a fuss..
  1. It sounds like your FIL is working full time. His income comes before your need for a free babysitter. I'm expected to attend my end of year do as well. It's a three line whip. Why do you think you choosing to have a baby takes priority? It doesn't. It just isn't his problem.
  1. Why can't you hire in some help if you won't do your own housework? I raised my ds alone, without my ex, and I never once argued with my relatives over care (I didn't ask for any).. The only times I have relied on help in the 17 years since ds was born, was when I underwent a mastectomy (1 day in hospital and 1 day recovery) when I paid a nanny to come and stay. and four days when I had chemo, and my dsis did the school runs because my insurance was invalid. I did school runs on the all days I had radiotherapy.

What exactly is it you need your FIL to come and do, that your dh can't do in the evenings and at the weekends?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:42

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

But this wasn't a last-minute emergency. OP roped her 72 year old mother into living with her for two weeks.

GlastoNinja · 20/07/2025 16:41

I voted YABU, largely because you’re getting overly involved in your husbands relationship with his dad. You’re creating drama, whipping everyone up, refusing to talk to people about it and then your impulsivity got too much for you and you stormed in with both feet.

The issue of whether you needed extra help isn’t for other people to comment on but it does sound like you managed without and all was fine

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

Spindrifts · 20/07/2025 16:35

But why are family expected to help? You made the choice to have three children you need to accept responsibility instead of expecting other people to pick up the reins. Your parents have done their job. You come across as very entitled in line with today's mindset.

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 20/07/2025 16:34

StandFirm · 20/07/2025 14:53

So many posters here are missing the point entirely! Sure, the guy can do what he likes and he doesn't owe his son and DIL anything. It's just that he is choosing to be an utter c**t. That's the point OP is making. Showing some interest in his newborn grandchild surely should be a normal thing. At least you know where you stand @Starlightbright200

Why does refusing to change his plans that he was looking forward to make him an “ utter cunt”?

MyJollySloth · 20/07/2025 16:33

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:29

What child care have you arranged then?

I have a couple of friends lined up but they also have small children, are pregnant or will be on holiday for some of it. So even though they are plan b and c, plan d would possibly be going to the hospital on my own.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:32

Allthesnowallthetime · 20/07/2025 16:30

It would have been lovely if your FIL had been willing to help, and I can understand why you had your mum to stay.

But I'm thinking of my own parents. If my dad were still with us, he would have been in his 70s. He wasn't present at my birth, or my sibling's. In our part of the UK, it wasn't expected or even allowed, I think, for the father to be present. My mum went through labour with just the midwife to support her. Dad visited and went straight back to work.

So while I understand your reasoning, it may be that your FIL has had a similar experience, and perhaps he isn't familiar with modern expectations.

He is in his late 50s and working and he had a planned event, he couldnt make it that night or the following morning quite understandably. He was then given the cold shoulder when OP and her husband ignored him and didnt communicate any further with him.

He was punished by them sulking on him because he had a prior arrangement that couldnt fit around their needs.

Not on.

Allthesnowallthetime · 20/07/2025 16:30

It would have been lovely if your FIL had been willing to help, and I can understand why you had your mum to stay.

But I'm thinking of my own parents. If my dad were still with us, he would have been in his 70s. He wasn't present at my birth, or my sibling's. In our part of the UK, it wasn't expected or even allowed, I think, for the father to be present. My mum went through labour with just the midwife to support her. Dad visited and went straight back to work.

So while I understand your reasoning, it may be that your FIL has had a similar experience, and perhaps he isn't familiar with modern expectations.

Frazzled83 · 20/07/2025 16:29

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

It was clear to me OP, I think we’re just enjoying some faux outrage here. You know the four Yorkshiremen sketch from Monty python? This is the mumsnet version
“OP - how dare you ask a family member to help out at a vulnerable time! I’ve raised 12 children, all while building an extension with my bare hands, growing my own food and I’ve got no legs and one eye! And I’ve never complained or had any help with anything ever!’ 😅

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 16:29

MyJollySloth · 20/07/2025 16:25

I’m so sorry that so many people are being awful in this thread to you. I’m going through a similar situation as my family is abroad, I’m current 35 weeks pregnant and my in-laws which are the only family nearby living 10 minutes away are going on holiday for a couple of weeks when I’m at full term. Funny thing is that they never travel in the summer holidays as it’s expensive but this year, all of a sudden when we MOST needed them, they will. They did something similar when I had my first child but when I was due to return to work and him start nursery. They booked a cruise for the week nursery was about to start and I was starting work even though they hate and criticise people who go on cruises! We had no back up and I was just really struggling mentally.

I’m terrified of going to labour alone and my husband would like to go with me. If I go into labour at night like you did my DS wouldn’t have childcare and I would have to make my way to the labour ward on my own. This is just NOT ok and I totally get that you’re expecting family to help. We weren’t made to just fend for ourselves or get on with it, this mentality is just cold, cruel, selfish and insensitive. Good thing is that you have your mum with you this time round and hopefully your husband won’t miss the arrival of your third child.

Wishing you the best!

What child care have you arranged then?

FestivusMiracle · 20/07/2025 16:28

Sorry, OP, but you sound like a bit of a nightmare. I’m not surprised he didn’t want to visit.

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