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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Flamingoknees · 20/07/2025 17:12

pinkdelight · 20/07/2025 14:51

You say you’re independent but you’ve needed constant help to the extent you’re needing FIL to fill in a stint while your mum rests and returns. That’s too much to ask and not normal, surely you can manage without a grandparent around for a while.

This

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:11

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:05

Yes of course but having someone you can call in the middle of the night and hope they wake up is different to your family being there. As mentioned neither one of us have local family so we would never have had them there if they lived round the corner.

But you’re expecting your mother/FIL to be living with you for two weeks before and potentially up to three weeks after?

It’s not feasible.

You need someone close by that can come over at short notice, whilst living their normal life.

Or you accept, you may have to go alone.

How did you get to hospital last time out of interest?

Starlight7080 · 20/07/2025 17:09

What do you think people usually do???
The mum gives birth the dad then brings the other children in and visits.
Is it ideal...nope...but if you dont have a better option then you do that.
You dont get people to stay with you for 2 weeks.
Or tell others that they should rearrange plans to suit you.
You have decided to have children. Noone else decided. You can't say your lives are more important then others .

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 17:07

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

This word 'risk'.

Ok, you might give birth before he gets there, but given he is at work anyway, that was always the 'risk', surely, or you go into labour at work and give birth right there at your desk.

I think the word 'risk' is doing a lot of heavy lifting as you like to say.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 20/07/2025 17:06

Basically, regardless of the specifics around the care required, it’s clear that the majority don’t think your FIL was being unreasonable.

Are you going to apologise to him?

Utterlyexhausted · 20/07/2025 17:06

OP, do you even see how entitled you look here?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:06

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:05

Yes of course but having someone you can call in the middle of the night and hope they wake up is different to your family being there. As mentioned neither one of us have local family so we would never have had them there if they lived round the corner.

You could ask people to keep their phones on loud in case you go into labour - surely that's an infinitely better solution than getting your elderly mother to come and live with you for an indefinite amount of time? Confused

user1476613140 · 20/07/2025 17:06

Top tip:

Don't rely on anyone but yourself and that way you will avoid being disappointed.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:05

NoNameNoOne · 20/07/2025 17:01

Don't you or your partner have any friends?

Yes of course but having someone you can call in the middle of the night and hope they wake up is different to your family being there. As mentioned neither one of us have local family so we would never have had them there if they lived round the corner.

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tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:03

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:58

OP: Mum, will you come and stay with us around the birth of my third child, so that DH can go to the hospital with me? It's a long way to travel and we obviously don't know exactly when the baby will appear, so could you stay for two weeks?

OP's mum, a normal person: Sure thing.

[OP's mum, a normal person, does what normal people do when in the presence of a heavily pregnant woman and two young kids, and tries to help out with chores, etc., as much as possible, despite being in her 70s and despite OP imploring her not to.]

OP: FIL, my mum has been with us for almost two weeks. We hoped the baby would be here by now, but no luck. My mum is tired - would you be able to take over as our on-call person for this one weekend?

FIL: No.

OP: Mumsnet, AIBU?

Mumsnet: You should be ashamed for not surviving as an island nation of you and DH. How dare you ask for support. That's not what family is for!

Or at least, that's how I read it. 🤷 Could be wrong.

It really isn't normal to get a 72 year old to come and live with you for a fortnight in case you happen to go into labour at some point Confused

NoNameNoOne · 20/07/2025 17:01

Don't you or your partner have any friends?

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/07/2025 17:01

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 15:12

That’s all we wanted help with! We asked for nothing else. I look after two children and worked until due date and I’ve had a high risk pregnancy. I took advice from my midwives. But sounds like I was wrong. I didn’t necessarily expect him to cancel but an alternative date would have been nice. My partner is his only child. I would be down to help any of my DC for anything they needed. The two weeks are two weeks out of the entire year for this special circumstance not every month. But I guess if I ask for peoples opinions I have to accept what they say

But that's not what you appear to be saying in your first post - having allowed your mother to 'support' you not JUST whilst you gave birth but by doing your housework, etc for a fortnight, then you said you wanted your FIL to come and give your mother "respite" (suggesting she was going to carry on 'supporting' you for even longer thereafter)!

So - which is the correct story here?

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:01

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:58

OP was literally looking for exactly the same help you had - just someone to look after her older children while she was in hospital, in her case giving birth.

No she wasn't - otherwise her elderly mother wouldn't have had to spend two weeks at her house before the birth even happened.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 17:00

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:58

OP: Mum, will you come and stay with us around the birth of my third child, so that DH can go to the hospital with me? It's a long way to travel and we obviously don't know exactly when the baby will appear, so could you stay for two weeks?

OP's mum, a normal person: Sure thing.

[OP's mum, a normal person, does what normal people do when in the presence of a heavily pregnant woman and two young kids, and tries to help out with chores, etc., as much as possible, despite being in her 70s and despite OP imploring her not to.]

OP: FIL, my mum has been with us for almost two weeks. We hoped the baby would be here by now, but no luck. My mum is tired - would you be able to take over as our on-call person for this one weekend?

FIL: No.

OP: Mumsnet, AIBU?

Mumsnet: You should be ashamed for not surviving as an island nation of you and DH. How dare you ask for support. That's not what family is for!

Or at least, that's how I read it. 🤷 Could be wrong.

Not quite. Why exhaust the woman? What's the husband's role in this?

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 17:00

Moonnstars · 20/07/2025 16:52

But she hasn't? She asked her mum to come down 2 weeks before due date. While it now appears that she was still working. Despite being told by a midwife to have someone available.

The sensible thing would have been to wait til labour began. Rang her mum and she would have hopefully been able to come before the baby arrived so that DH could hand over the children and attend.

OPs mum lives far away and OP said her previous births have been precipitous - mum likely would not have arrived in time and OP would have given birth alone.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:00

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

You mean it wasn't an option you liked.

After all, it's what millions of families have to do when they have older children that need to be looked after - they don't rope their elderly parents into being on standby for a fortnight Confused

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:58

Hodgemollar · 20/07/2025 16:04

I mean hoping a family member will mind your kids so your husband can be with you during labour is hardly expecting others to raise your children, thats nonsense.

Why is everyone saying I want someone to take care of my kids?!? I don’t understand

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QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:58

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:46

Why is the woman so exhausted, then?

OP: Mum, will you come and stay with us around the birth of my third child, so that DH can go to the hospital with me? It's a long way to travel and we obviously don't know exactly when the baby will appear, so could you stay for two weeks?

OP's mum, a normal person: Sure thing.

[OP's mum, a normal person, does what normal people do when in the presence of a heavily pregnant woman and two young kids, and tries to help out with chores, etc., as much as possible, despite being in her 70s and despite OP imploring her not to.]

OP: FIL, my mum has been with us for almost two weeks. We hoped the baby would be here by now, but no luck. My mum is tired - would you be able to take over as our on-call person for this one weekend?

FIL: No.

OP: Mumsnet, AIBU?

Mumsnet: You should be ashamed for not surviving as an island nation of you and DH. How dare you ask for support. That's not what family is for!

Or at least, that's how I read it. 🤷 Could be wrong.

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 16:58

Middlemarch123 · 20/07/2025 16:01

Agree with every word.
I had three under three years . DH worked away a lot. Only time my parents who were in their fifties at the time had my kids overnight was when I was hospitalised and DH was away. They never had them overnight after that. My kids, I wanted them. We didn’t have babies for anyone else to bring them up.

OP was literally looking for exactly the same help you had - just someone to look after her older children while she was in hospital, in her case giving birth.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 16:57

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

Why didn't you organise paid childcare?

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 16:57

Incidentally OP, why isn't your dh at home with you?

If your baby is a couple of days old, why hasn't your dh taken his two weeks paternity leave?

ClearlyAGiraffe · 20/07/2025 16:56

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:36

Thread is full of arseholes. My neighbours, who I don't even know particularly well, have offered to babysit in case of emergency. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask relatives to help with childcare to remove the stress surrounding another birth. Most normal people would offer if they were in a position to.

And if you said to them ‘there is an emergency, I’ve worn out my mother and I need you to do the heavy lifting’ and they said

‘sorry we can’t, we have a work thing on Saturday and we will be hungover and then we have to go back to work on Monday’ would you be cross?

I think I’d wonder why the husband couldn’t do the heavy lifting over the weekend.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 16:13

Her husband could have stayed with his children until her mother arrived to take over?

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

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SallyD00lally · 20/07/2025 16:55

NJLX2021 · 20/07/2025 16:39

The first page of this thread makes me happy I don't live in England any more.

It's amazing comparing this to the thread about why women find it tougher to raise children these days.. the first dozen replied are full of:

"Because it takes a village to raise a baby.. and women's don't have support any more!"

And yet a woman expects family support, and gets dozens of replies telling her that she is unreasonable to expect it.. should be able to do it on her own, etc.

In the culture I live in, families are expected to help each other, and a baby for the family is something that, to a greater or lesser extent everyone is expected to help with. Grandparents, aunts, uncle's, etc. Society would look down on them if they didn't do what they could to help a new baby that has been brought into the family. A mother staying for a few weeks to help with a pregnant woman or a new baby? Great 👍 exactly the inter-generational care and support that keeps families going.

Yeah, sounds idyllic.

Make elderly women like the OP's mum wear herself out because society will look down on her if she doesn't.

And the the inter-generational care and support in most cultures, still tends to be a heavier burden on the woman than the men.

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

Astrabees · 20/07/2025 16:12

What is the OP supposed to do when the baby is born if there is no one around to take care of the oldest two? it is very sad to have to go to hospital and not have your partner with you. When I was expecting my second I made the decision to have a home birth mainly because there were no relations at all within 100 miles and I knew no one at all who could have had DS1. I think that for OP the only thing to do would be to have her mother stay but to keep her rested until needed at the time of the birth.

Thank you! This was exactly the plan but she ended up like all amazing mothers do try to do everything. I didn’t let her do everything but for the sake of my OP I just said housework because that’s what she did when she offered her help. I didn’t want her to be around the kids too much because they are so active and always want attention which is so exhausting so whilst I was entertaining them after pick up or on my days off, she would wash up a few plates or fold some clothes I’d taken out of the laundry. It wasn’t like a one stop maid like everyone thinks. I didn’t realise it had to be so detailed on here or that I needed to give her every movement to present a fair case. I worked until due date myself as well because I wanted to make sure I earned till the end. we were not a bunch of soul sucking leeches watching my mum do everything. She was just being an amazing mum that didn’t want to stop no matter how much we said hence why we wanted to send her home to relax and not feel any kind of burden. Giving birth alone last time was really tough and we had people on the way but it was just too quick.

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