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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 20/07/2025 18:06

I have to agree with most posters, you chose to have three children, so you have to manage with just you and your partner. Most people do. Any support you get from family is a bonus, and never to be expected.

Ilovelurchers · 20/07/2025 18:06

I don't know if you come on Mumsnet a lot, OP, but anybody who ever expressed any expectation of help and support from family is always called entitled.

To me this is strange, as I do think different generations of families should help and support each other where they can, and according to need. But I have reached the conclusion that I am from a different cultural background to the vast majority of Mumsnetters. (Perhaps you are from a similar background to me, OP).

My parents helped me as needed when dd was born. They did not provide regular childcare while I worked, as some friends parents did, but she helped a lot, and helps me in other ways too (looking after me when I am ill, buying me things I can't afford etc). And reciprocally, I uprooted my life and lost my relationship to move close to her to help with my severely ill father's care, so what goes around comes around.

BUT, even I, coming from a background where intergeneratuonal family support is a normal and expected aspect of life, feel like you are being q little entitled. FIL's event was a one off thing, not something he could rearrange. Some people love their annual work do - maybe he looks forward to it all year.

I think deliberately not sharing many details of the baby with him/his partner is a little spiteful, and actually cutting off your nose to spite your face - if you hope for more support from him and his partner as the kids get older, maybe you should do all you can to involve him, make him feel like a valued part of your family. In my experience, people respond SO much better to warmth and praise, than to criticism. The more loved and valued he feels, the more likely he is to want to help.

And congratulations on your baby! Don't let all this conflict over very little really, spoil your precious time.

Mumof2amazingasdkiddos · 20/07/2025 18:06

In fairness OP your first post wasn't particularly clear and it's only by reading your updates that ive understood what you are upset about. I wonder if FIL has also misunderstood as the communication hasn't been very clear between you all? It's probably worth having a blunt conversation where you all get to air your thoughts and feelings and then draw a line under it and move forwards. Congratulations on the birth of your 3rd

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 18:05

outerspacepotato · 20/07/2025 18:04

It looks like they wanted free childcare and housework.

FIL works and had a once a year work event to go to.

The mom got worn out doing housework for 2 weeks, which means she might be getting past being able to do childcare for 2.

The mom and FIL aren't local. There should have been a birth plan that included emergency childcare with OP at risk of a precipitous labour and delivery.

Why is the husband not stepping up here? Why didn't they ask a friend or neighbor for emergency childcare if necessary?

Exactly, it all seems very chaotic and unorganised. None of it makes any sense to me.

outerspacepotato · 20/07/2025 18:04

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:50

He's had the same nine months as OP has had to arrange some paid childcare, and yet neither of them bothered.

So it seems it wasn't that important to either of them, really.

It looks like they wanted free childcare and housework.

FIL works and had a once a year work event to go to.

The mom got worn out doing housework for 2 weeks, which means she might be getting past being able to do childcare for 2.

The mom and FIL aren't local. There should have been a birth plan that included emergency childcare with OP at risk of a precipitous labour and delivery.

Why is the husband not stepping up here? Why didn't they ask a friend or neighbor for emergency childcare if necessary?

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 18:02

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:58

He heavy lifting I meant being the one to step up not literally heavy lifting and being over worked!

But what is she doing in your house that is so exhausting she requires FIL to come and “take over” so that she can go for two days and rest?! If she is purely your emergency childcare as you say she is then there should be no reason whatsoever for her being exhausted, you haven’t had the baby, therefore she shouldn’t have actually done anything yet other than exist in a different house.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 18:01

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:57

that was the emergency childcare!? But as labours go you can be given a date and it still may not be that date. None of mine were on due date. They were both early. Now I was prepared they went over!

Having your mother come to stay for a fortnight is not "emergency childcare" Hmm

You needed someone local on standby who could come and be there for the kids while you and DH went to the hospital. If you don't know anyone, then you pay for it.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 18:01

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:58

He heavy lifting I meant being the one to step up not literally heavy lifting and being over worked!

We know what heavy lifting means

FatherFrosty · 20/07/2025 17:58

It’s shit when you don’t have support. Especially when you look around and there’s others with almost full on house keepers.

but op. I bet your friends would be more than willing to help. It does take a village, but that doesn’t have to be the village you were born into.

this is also a big reason I didn’t have more my family and in-laws made it perfectly obvious they couldn’t be arsed with mine so I knew to expect and ask nothing

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:58

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 17:56

This.

But most importantly if mum is literally only there essentially waiting for 2 weeks so that she is there in the event of labour then why is she being so overworked and exhausted that she requires 2 days off?!

He heavy lifting I meant being the one to step up not literally heavy lifting and being over worked!

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 17:58

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

She's barely mentioned him. Just as she describes his father as being 'absent', he is also strangely 'absent' in the timeline and description of the situation.

Interesting.

ThinWomansBrain · 20/07/2025 17:57

not sure why you keep having children if you and your partner are not able to take care of them. without your inlaws/parents expected to step in.

A single friend with no parent nearby & not in good health anyway employed a doula - did you not consider that option rather than putting it all on an elderly woman undergoing cancer treatment?

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:57

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:54

Exactly, it's not like any of this came as a surprise.

They knew they had two existing children, knew OP had quick labours and didn't put any plans in place for emergency childcare Confused

that was the emergency childcare!? But as labours go you can be given a date and it still may not be that date. None of mine were on due date. They were both early. Now I was prepared they went over!

OP posts:
Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 17:56

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:53

Then they need to set in place a plan….

which doesn’t include exhausting the mother or getting upset that FIL has plans!

They clearly asked FIL last minute, or they could’ve arranged for him to come during the week, exhausted mother to go home and then come back and cover the weekend so FIL could carry on with his plans.

But oh no, everyone must be free to do exactly as OP wants and have no plans, she needed to be a lot more organised!

This.

But most importantly if mum is literally only there essentially waiting for 2 weeks so that she is there in the event of labour then why is she being so overworked and exhausted that she requires 2 days off?!

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:55

Martoni · 20/07/2025 17:44

As soon as I read your post I knew you’d get a bashing.

But I do feel for you. We’ve been in a similar position, DH family live down the road from us but don’t help. We’ve given up on it now and just accept we don’t have their support.

Which is fine, no one should expect it. It just stings when you see your friends going off on spa weekends and nights out with their DH whilst their parents look after the kids.

Haha I think I’m a bit naive and didn’t see it coming.

seems like that’s the best way to go! thanks for the response

OP posts:
BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:55

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:40

Yes that’s exactly it! I didn’t want to rope her in to this extent. It’s just last time she didn’t make it, so there’s experience of that in the past. The funny thing is if I showed her this post she would be so pissed off because of how many people are calling her elderly!!

I suppose that’s because you’ve described her “as older”.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:54

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 17:51

His needs do matter, which is why they should have had childcare arrangements in place, plus emergency ones. They had months to plan it.

Exactly, it's not like any of this came as a surprise.

They knew they had two existing children, knew OP had quick labours and didn't put any plans in place for emergency childcare Confused

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:53

Then they need to set in place a plan….

which doesn’t include exhausting the mother or getting upset that FIL has plans!

They clearly asked FIL last minute, or they could’ve arranged for him to come during the week, exhausted mother to go home and then come back and cover the weekend so FIL could carry on with his plans.

But oh no, everyone must be free to do exactly as OP wants and have no plans, she needed to be a lot more organised!

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 20/07/2025 17:53

Nobody owes you a single minute of help - they really don’t. If people offer to help, then that’s very lucky for you and kind of them but you absolutely cannot expect people to organise their own leisure etc around looking after kids that aren’t theirs! And yes, that applies to grandparents and aunts and uncles!

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 17:51

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

His needs do matter, which is why they should have had childcare arrangements in place, plus emergency ones. They had months to plan it.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:50

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:49

Because it takes people a long time to realise someone is irredeemable. None of us like to think the worst of our families and we keep trying to make it work. Sometimes the twatty ones actually pull it out the bag and do the right thing in the end. We can live in hope. I'm sad that OP has been so let down.

I don't think she's been let down at all - she's had a fuck ton more support than most people have when giving birth to their third chil.

Biscoffscoffer · 20/07/2025 17:50

There is nothing wrong with wanting help and support from your family - especially around the birth of a child! It is sad that because other people did not have any family help, they feel you should be happy with the same. It takes a village and all that... Wishing you all the best with your new baby x

If one needs so much support they shouldn't be having more children. By all means keep having children but then don't expect everyone around you to ditch their social life for you. OP sounds very entitled.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:50

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

He's had the same nine months as OP has had to arrange some paid childcare, and yet neither of them bothered.

So it seems it wasn't that important to either of them, really.

Coconutter24 · 20/07/2025 17:49

Would you have wanted someone hungover to come and look after the kids anyway?
I voted YABU. You asked and was told no which he is entitled to say. You and DP decided to have another baby so it falls to you both to sort things out or be there when needed

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:49

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:45

Well, if he's that much of a twat, I'd question why OP bothered ringing and asking him in the first place?

Because it takes people a long time to realise someone is irredeemable. None of us like to think the worst of our families and we keep trying to make it work. Sometimes the twatty ones actually pull it out the bag and do the right thing in the end. We can live in hope. I'm sad that OP has been so let down.