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Not invited to DSis big birthday

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50FreezeOut1 · 19/07/2025 22:42

My DSis turned 50 yesterday and I've found out today she had a birthday meal out with her friends, my siblings and our parents.

AIBU to be upset at not being invited?

Photos look to be about 10 friends plus DB (no partner at the moment) and DSis+DBIL. Plus DB's son and DSis daughter and son. Plus DM and DF. Plus DSis50 and DBIL and their DDs.

This came as a complete surprise. We caught up at May half term and hung out for a weekend, DSis50, her family and mine. A month or so ago I messaged my siblings to arrange a joint 50th gift which cost me a considerable amount of time and effort. No one mentioned it to me at all.

The reason I'm posting is because I'd like some advice about what I do next. The photos aren't attempting to hide the meal out. Of course I would see them. I'm seeing my DM on Monday to spend the first day of the school holidays together. Do I say something? What do I say to my siblings in our WhatsApp group? Anything? Nothing?

OP posts:
Astrak · 21/07/2025 14:02

I agree about maintaining a dignified silence. I have/?had a truly elder toxic sister, who was absolutely vile to me. She was jealous of my academic success and anything else that she thought that I was better at than she was. She married a man who tried to sexually abuse me and refused to believe that he had done so. I alerted her to what I thought was his inappropriate behaviour with their daughter. She ignored me. I haven't heard from her for thirty-five years and she is probably dead. Our mother tried to paper over the cracks, saying "Oh - she didn't really mean it . . ." She did.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/07/2025 13:54

50FreezeOut1 · 20/07/2025 22:24

Something I have considered from the feedback on this thread is therapy. I do know (and tell my DC!) you can't change other people or make them do what you want. You can only control how you feel and how you react. My work offers access to therapy and it doesn't have to be work related. I just want to come to terms with being the black sheep/scapegoat, get over it and be happy.

The thing to remember about being the scapegoat is - you didn't do anything. Scapegoathood is not earned, it is assigned randomly by a narcissist. There is nothing about you - absolutely NOTHING - that makes you 'deserve' to be the family scapegoat. You might not believe this, but that's a lifetime of being trained as the family scapegoat talking, not reality.

Your family know it, even if you don't. Each and every one of your siblings will have an unacknowledged thought whispering to them - 'it could have been you, and if it weren't for her, it still could be'. They know without knowing that your narcissistic mother requires a scapegoat, and if you were to no longer fulfil that role, she WILL assign the role to one of them. So I would seriously think about stepping back from your family and setting that particular cat amongst the pigeonsGrin.

Worth bearing in mind also, is your father's role - the Enabler. He failed you. As a father he should have protected you, and he didn't. Whilst you sound to me to be able to forgive, I do hope you do not forget that betrayal.

thepariscrimefiles · 21/07/2025 13:41

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 13:34

I disagree. You cannot diagnose from this. Op must talk to her siblings and detail how hurt she is, for her own sake.

They will close ranks, turn it back on OP and make her the bad guy and the troublemaker. It's pointless as they won't admit that they have deliberately excluded her and their annoyance at being called out for their behaviour will increase their animosity towards OP.

Dignified silence from OP will be much more effective. She will maintain relationships with the nice members of her extended family.

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 13:34

I disagree. You cannot diagnose from this. Op must talk to her siblings and detail how hurt she is, for her own sake.

Thelnebriati · 21/07/2025 12:51

There is one thing to remember about being the family scapegoat and just quietly walking away - they need you, that's why they try to hoover you back. Its really important you don't get suckered back in; remind yourself its not you they need, its a scapegoat. The drama they thrive on can't happen without one.

BubblyBath178 · 21/07/2025 12:51

What a load of fuckers.

knackredd · 21/07/2025 12:47

rainingsnoring · 21/07/2025 09:23

Absolutely no point in doing this in a narc type family as they will turn the whole thing back on her. Much better to concentrate on your own life and be happy with those that do love you. Fortunately, it sounds as if the OP has plenty of people who respect and admire her for who she is.

100% agree with you. This is what they want - they are not a rational family - they are an enmeshed system fuelled by negative energy targeted at you. Dont give them any pleasure and satisfaction of the reaction they crave - dont hand them the bullets to shoot you with. Grey rock, info diet, fade .... calm and collected. Be boring to them. Be indifferent and fill your emotional life up elsewhere with good friends. Dont let them rope you back in once they notice you slipping away - thats only a trap so they can get you back into punching distance so that they get to land their blows again in the ugly sport they all love.

50FreezeOut1 · 21/07/2025 12:26

Soulfulunfurling · 21/07/2025 03:13

They will love her reaction and feed off the drama for months if not years. Silence and indifference are the only thing that will work - agreed. No reaction whatsoever is the way to go . You are not dealing with normal, reasonable people.

They will a 100% flip this to be op ruining her sister’s ‘special’ birthday, and how can op be so cruel
as to ruin it for her. You will see a perfect, classic example of DAVRO in this scenario. Do not hand this to them. Absolute silence, and do not engage is far more powerful.

Edited

That is a REALLY good point about me ruining her big birthday if I say anything. Thank you so much! You are exactly right.

OP posts:
50FreezeOut1 · 21/07/2025 12:24

SpinachSpinachMoreSpinach · 21/07/2025 01:59

I haven’t read the whole thread - has anyone mentioned Toxic Parents yet…

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/103999.Toxic_Parents

I actually have this book and I started reading it after the DM big birthday lunch exclusion. I had to stop because it was really upsetting but now might be the time to give it another go.

OP posts:
Fernticket · 21/07/2025 11:06

OP, watch out for the attempts to draw you back in when they realize that you are not going to play their sad little games any more. Don't be fooled, things will not change with them

MyDadWasAnArse · 21/07/2025 09:54

vickylou78 · 21/07/2025 09:51

At this stage I think you've nothing to lose in just out right asking Sis50 why you and your family weren't invited and be honest and say you were hurt by it. See what they say.

If she says she's hurt, they'll get off on that. They'll also give gaslightish excuses rather than real reasons.

vickylou78 · 21/07/2025 09:51

At this stage I think you've nothing to lose in just out right asking Sis50 why you and your family weren't invited and be honest and say you were hurt by it. See what they say.

MyDadWasAnArse · 21/07/2025 09:45

Growuppeople · 21/07/2025 02:13

This isn’t real Stop wasting your time

Do you mean you think it's a made up story? Report it if you think this.

DrowningInSyrup · 21/07/2025 09:31

They sound awful. Mute and archive the WhatsApp group. Let them get in touch through other meams if they want to, but if I were you I'd withdraw and try not to give them a second thought. They truly sound dreadful.

rainingsnoring · 21/07/2025 09:23

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 09:08

Political leanings and salaries are a red herring. Siblings don't stop loving siblings unless they're enabled and encouraged to. Your father didn't put his foot down for you. Your hurt feelings are valid. Speak to all your family and make your hurt plain. It's up to them then. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Absolutely no point in doing this in a narc type family as they will turn the whole thing back on her. Much better to concentrate on your own life and be happy with those that do love you. Fortunately, it sounds as if the OP has plenty of people who respect and admire her for who she is.

rainingsnoring · 21/07/2025 09:21

You sound lovely @50FreezeOut1. You have a lovely DH and DC and many friends. Please concentrate on yourself and your immediate family and friends who value you. It is a shame that your family do not but that is life and, sadly, not so unusual. Back away from them, don't be available, block notifications on the What'sApp group. I suggested this tactic earlier but now even more so because of what you said about your DC noticing.

FlappingMadly · 21/07/2025 09:08

Political leanings and salaries are a red herring. Siblings don't stop loving siblings unless they're enabled and encouraged to. Your father didn't put his foot down for you. Your hurt feelings are valid. Speak to all your family and make your hurt plain. It's up to them then. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Soulfulunfurling · 21/07/2025 08:33

Mumtobabyhavoc · 21/07/2025 07:25

That may be, but there are often few opportunities to hold others accountable and this might be OP's chance to confront the shitty behaviour, say what she needs to say and move on.
I take your point, though.

I did just this - I confronted the behaviour over and over again politely and gently - a well considered and thoughtful question. Sounds reasonable enough? To most people it would have been fine.

Narcissistic families do not take kindly to having the torch of truth lighting up their very poor and often cruel behaviour - it makes them look bad. They will immediately double down, blame op, call her difficult and unkind and accuse her of hurting her sister: they will say op wasn’t invited because she is so ‘difficult’ and no one knows how to ‘manage her’ despite the opposite being true.

Op has been painted as the difficult awful one in the family, and nothing and no one is going to shift that narrative, despite the fact she is so lovely and caring.

They will gang up, cause drama, talk about her, create a real issue and this will blow up to be something even bigger than it is now, because she had the audacity to challenge them. They will blame her for sure.

So just calling them out is just stepping into their trap. They will gas light her, attack her character and blame her for wrecking the family and her sister’s 50th birthday. Trust me this is the worst thing she could do. It doesn’t pave the way for an honest and open discussion, it just causes more drama and hostility.

Leave the chat without a word, go low contact. Stop sharing information with them. Step away from all of them emotionally and physically. Protect yourself and your children from such toxicity. You don’t need to cut them off, but stop spending any time with them. They need to be at the bottom of your priority list.

They know exactly what they have done.

Northernladdette · 21/07/2025 08:19

The only way you’re going to find out is to outright ask her!

Inthecafe · 21/07/2025 07:33

Mumtobabyhavoc · 21/07/2025 01:55

Reply to the FB post: Looks like a good time with everyone except me. Why wasn't my family and I invited to your birthday, Dsis?
You've got nothing to lose.

Well unless all over social media one by one the family members begin posting the reasons why they didn’t want the OP there and others chime in in agreement

Inthecafe · 21/07/2025 07:33

This isn’t just confront one or two people

this is a group of 10 adults who all seem perfectly happy to have keep this event from the OP and to have enjoyed said event without the OP’s presence.

It may end up being a catalogue of reasons from 10 people as to why the OP wasn’t invited
or
it may end up tumbleweed as no one really bothered to answer

either way…. I’d take the hint and simply withdraw with zero drama from the group

Mumtobabyhavoc · 21/07/2025 07:25

JIMER202 · 21/07/2025 03:00

She does as she’s dealing with a narc mother and this will absolutely blow up and OP will be dealing with real nasty shit then. Best to just let it be for her own mental wellbeing. It’s not like she will gain anything from this approach other than a torrent of crap.

That may be, but there are often few opportunities to hold others accountable and this might be OP's chance to confront the shitty behaviour, say what she needs to say and move on.
I take your point, though.

Hopingtobeaparent · 21/07/2025 07:16

Katrinawaves · 20/07/2025 22:42

Also @50FreezeOut1 you are 💯 allowed to be different. You don’t have to fit in with the family and you don’t owe it to them to do so.

Be true to yourself. Live your life by your own values. You sound like an amazing person. Don’t let anyone convince you you aren’t or that you are in any way less than. If people you don’t like and whose opinions you don’t respect, don’t value you, don’t internalise that just because you are related to them. You are allowed to think them fools and not to care!

This. Well expressed, @Katrinawaves !

Soulfulunfurling · 21/07/2025 07:12

Pinkdhalia · 21/07/2025 06:57

Not one of that invited group mentioned to you “ see you Monday” or “where were you ? Very odd and hurtful. Ask her! No point in beating around the bush? Something is strange. Did she like the gift then why weren’t you invited?

It’s not odd if you have experience of narcissistic families. It’s all part of the control. Absolutely deliberate.

To normal people it’s unthinkable, of course it is, but for those of us with five plus decades of exactly this behaviour are not remotely surprised in the least. This is about power not love, and keeping everyone in their place.

SENNeeds2 · 21/07/2025 07:10

I am sorry this has happened to you - I am one of five children and I have three sisters. I have one sister who always leaves me out - we’ve all come to the conclusion she is jealous of me. Not for the obvious things - I’m about 6/7 years older than her - but there are some emotional things I have she’s envious of. Your sister and sister siblings might have wealth - but you seem to be happy with a fulfilling career, loving partner and great kids. I’m guessing your sister is envious of you and doesn’t want to around for these reasons - and she seems to rule the roost so everyone else is spineless as they want to avoid her roth.